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1 John 2:22-23 are discussed further down in details in this table.

  • God in the OT addresses people as "my son" and describes them as his begotten son.  Why does God use these terms with others in the time of Moses and Jesus and Abraham and other prophets, and now condemns these tittles in the Quran?  Why would God give room to misuse these terms like the Greek and Romans did?

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    The Doubting Thomas:
      
    Doubting Thomas said
    "My Lord and my God" to Jesus.  Yet, all believers were called "God", and Moses was the "God" of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh:

  • Moses was called "The God" (Exodus 7:1) of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh.  Jesus said he was greater than Moses.  Thomas, the Disciple, called Jesus "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).  Jesus denied to be GOD Almighty.  All Believers were called "GODS and Sons of GOD" (Psalm 82:6) in the Bible.  "GOD" in the Bible also means master, leader, priest.  Therefore, the doubting Thomas' statement didn't suggest that Jesus was his Creator.  And Jesus being a "God" doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty.  He is just another mere "God" like the rest of the believing creations and nothing more.
      

  • The Bible also says that Jesus had to be "in according to Melchizedek".  And who is Melchizedek?  According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20).  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.
      
  • The Bible called Jesus a slave (abd) of GOD throughout the Old Testament!
      
  • Jesus denied knowing when Judgment Day will come, and said I DON'T KNOW, ONLY GOD ALONE KNOWS!
  • For ample more details, visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm

  • Also, the Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam, and the Majestic "We" [1] [2] [3]
  • www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1904.msg7673#msg7673
    www.answering-christianity.com/john20_28.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm (non of Jesus' Miracles were unique)
    www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm

      

    Father and Son Definitions:

    Definition of Key Terms (*) (a discussion between me and a Christian):

    1-  What does "The Father" really mean in the Bible?  How is it defined in Islam? (see point #5 below)  How does the Bible really define it?

    2-  What does "Son of GOD" really mean in the Bible? 

    3-  Jesus had to match Melchizedek in Miracles and Power, according to the New Testament.  See this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.  Jesus' Miracles and Miraculous Birth and Nature were given to him because he needed to be in according to Melchizedek.  He had to be “in according to Melchizedek” as the Bible specifically says.  See Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20 [2].

      

    Who is Melchizedek?

    According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20) [2].  The Bible literally says that.  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.

  • Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran?  And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator?  And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ?  See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.
      

  • Also again, see this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.
      

  • 4-  Does the Bible say that Yahweh created Jesus Yes it does (*)

  • John 1:1
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was with authority
    (same Greek word for satan's rule (*) [2] [3])."
      

  • Detailed discussion about Jesus' Will (*) with ample verses.
      

  • In Islam, there are three "Worlds" or Realms:

  • (a)-  GOD Almighty, who is not seen by anyone or anything, nor is like unto anyone or anything.

    (b)-  The World of Command, which is the invisible world of the Beings that were made by the Word and the Spirit.

    (c)-  The World of Creation, the flush and blood, dust and water physical world and Universes (plural).

    Also visit: Is the Noble Quran a Creator or Creation?

      
      
    "Father" and "Son" in Islam and the Bible:

    Christians often quote the following verses to prove that Islam is the Anti-Christ:

    1 John 2
    22  Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
    23  No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

      

    5-  What does the Glorious Quran say about the “Father” and “Son” titles:

  • The Quran is against the exaggerated and inflated meanings of the words, which ultimately the polytheistic religion of trinity was born out of.
      

  • Allah Almighty Said: "And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour(The Noble Quran, 21:26)"
      

    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2141.msg9505#msg9505:

      

    The Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam, and the Majestic "We":
      

    .......

    In regards to your question, there are two legitimate answers for it:
      
    1-  GOD Almighty can and does refer to Himself as WE and I.  So the plural We can and does refer to Allah Almighty Alone.
      
    2-  In Allah Almighty's Realm, there are the People of Allah.  Even our Hadiths call them AHLU ALLAH أهل الله (Family of Allah).

  • Go to www.google.com, and search for إن لله - تعالى - أهلين من الناس، قالوا: يا رسول الله من هم؟ قال: هم أهل القران، أهل الله وخاصته
      
  • The Hadith in Arabic translates as:
      
    "Allah Almighty has AHLEEN (families) أهلين from mankind.  They asked: "O Messenger of Allah, who are they?"  He said: They are the People of the Quran; the Family/People of GOD أهل الله , and they are His Special Ones خاصته."
      
    Note: Every Spoken Word from GOD Almighty is Quran, even before Islam.
      
  • This is what we will be called in Heaven, and Allah Almighty also does recognize "Son of GOD" title in the Glorious Quran, but Says that they are no more than pious "....servants raised to honour.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".  Nothing Divine about them except that they exist with Allah Almighty Eternally in Heaven.  But as far as Divine Authority and Power, all Divine Authority and Power belong to Allah Almighty Alone and none else.  You can visit:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm (The definition of "Son of God" in Islam)
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
      
      
    Iblis, who later became satan, used to be from AHLU ALLAH
    أهل الله (Family of Allah) when he was a pious Servant.  But because he and his followers disobeyed GOD Almighty, they were cursed and kicked out of the COMMUNITY OF GOD Almighty:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/adam.htm
      
    So it is quite possible that Allah Almighty uses the WE to refer to Him and His Servants that HE spoke with directly and Commanded directly.  But even in that case, the WE still also means Allah Almighty Alone (the Majestic We), because Allah Almighty is the
     One and Only Decision Maker, and there is none other besides Him.
      
    I hope this helps, insha'Allah.
      
    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

      
      

  • So people did call each others “Son” and “Daughter” of “GOD”. But in all reality, they are no more than Servants of GOD raised to honor.
      

  • Here are some Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON": 

  • Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى): See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.
      
  • In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty.
      
  • FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا).  We further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8 "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7 Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.
      
  • So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:
      
    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.
      
    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!
      
    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).
      
  • So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:
    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.
      
  • Also, BEGET = CHOSE.
      
  • King James Bible Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
      
  • Allah Almighty used اصطفاك اصطفيتك يصطفي اصطفى اصطفينا to mean to Choose a Servant in Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 in the Glorious Quran.
      
  • So clearly Islam is in harmony with GOD Almighty being our:

    -  Guardian
    -  Friend
    -  Protector
    -  And the One who Chose us.
      
  • And we definitely believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
      
  • One last important point:  Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus ever called "from the Seed of GOD" or "the Seed of GOD".  We do have "Jesus is from the seed of David" (Psalm 132:10-11, Romans 1:3)But never from GOD!
      
  • GOD has no seed according to both the Bible and the Quran.
      
  • Therefore, the claim that Islam is the Anti-Christ is false.
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    So, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1john 2:22 No it isn't.  Here are some Quran and Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON" in more details:

    (a)-  Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى):

  • See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.  In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty, as in the following point.   

  • (b)-  FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا):

    We further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8
    "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7
    Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23
    And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

    So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:

    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.

    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!

    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).

    So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:

    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.

    Please visit the following link to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203     (backup)

      
    (c)-  BEGET = CHOSE:

    Regarding the following verse, and many others like it:

    King James Bible Psalm 2:7
    I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

    Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran:

    [027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)?

    ‏27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون

    [003:033] God did choose اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-

    ‏3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين

    [003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.

    ‏3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين

    [007:144] (God) said: "O Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I (have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give thanks."

    ‏7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين

    [022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things).

    ‏22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير

    [035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.

    ‏35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير

    [038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good.

    ‏38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار

    [039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible.

    ‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار

    Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know.  Please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

    Jesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT.  And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called:

    1-  Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father).

    2-  Wali - Guardian.

    In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali.  But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father.  This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery.  No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty!  Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these.  Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter.  Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters??  No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):

    [005:018] (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"

    Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203     (backup).

      

    The Logical Fallacy and Corruption of 1 John 2:22:

    (d)-  Let's thoroughly look at the logical fallacy of this verse and its corruption:

    1-  " Who is the liar"??  Or should the text say who is the one who disbelieves?

  • The text clearly suggests that the book was written by a mere individual, whose emotions caused him to make a logical fallacy in the text, hence he is not a genuine Messenger of GOD.
     

  • Furthermore, we don't see this statement anywhere else throughout the Bible!  For such a serious statement to be truly from GOD Almighty, we would expect it to at the very least exist in any or all of the four gospels.  But it exists in none, and not even in Paul's writings either.  It only exists once in this late epistle.
     

  • Furthermore, the Bible’s commentary regarding 1 John book say:

    "1 John does not tell us who its author is.  The earliest identification of him comes from the church fathers..."  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1904)

    "The letter is difficult to date with precision...."  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)

    For book bibliography, visit: www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm

  •   
    2-  Also keep in mind that the 1 John book contains forgeries.  For example:

  • 1 John 5:7  "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."  This verse was proven to be a forgery, and was removed from all of the modern Bible translations.

    Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/1john5_7.htm

  •   

    6-  Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1, *] [2] [3].  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician.  See the following links:

               
           (Click to play videos)

           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

      

      

    Rebuttal to Shamoun's desperate rebuttal to my article below:
     

    Sam Shamoun, who is notorious in running his extreme and excessive foul-mouth (including F*** words), has written a 3-part rebuttal [1] [2] [3] to my rebuttal below, and he once again has shown us what type of a liar and deceiver he is for purposely avoiding to answer most of my rebuttal's main points, which would've silenced his long time-wasting geberish that he wrong in 3 long parts.

     
      

    Shamoun's entire argument:

    To begin with, Shamoun's entire, - AND I MEAN ENTIRE, - 3-part lengthy rebuttal revolves around the lie and nonesense that trinitarians have created, which is about Jesus being the heir of GOD Almighty, which would hence make Jesus Christ Yehweh Almighty.  We have already thoroughly destroyed this polytheist trinitarian pagan's desperate mistranslations and deceptions and proved with ample Old and New Testament Biblical verses that Jesus Christ's inheritance is no more than the rulership of the Israel and perhaps the planet earth at the maximum.

    Not only that, but many in the OT and NT were said to be the HEIRS OF GOD ALMIGHTY!  Please visit:

    What does "Jesus is the heir" really mean? Does it mean he is the heir of GOD Almighty, or is this just another trinitarian lie?

    Also, visit: Contradictions and History of Corruption in the Bible.  See the countless contradictions in the Bible.
     
    Also, visit: The Bible's own theologians admit that the Bible is corrupt!  See the ample quotes from the NIV Bible and the Roman Catholic Encyclopedia. 
       
    Not only that, but Jesus Christ also said that none is "good" except GOD Almighty alone:
     

    ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."   (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

     

    If Jesus doesn't consider himself as "good", then how can any sane person put him on the same level as GOD Almighty?

    I have yet to see a good answer to this one by any polytheist trinitarian.

      

    Also, another important point to notice in Mark 10:18 is the word "alone":   ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."   (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)"

    Jesus in this verse is clearly giving exclusivity to GOD Almighty when he said "alone".  If Jesus was truly part of GOD Almighty and/or the trinity lie was true, then Jesus, to say the least, would not have said that.

     

    My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's absurdities regarding Mark 10:18 where Jesus said he was not "good".

     


    Shamoun's lies, again:
     
    Sam Shamoun also lied and said that I have a foul mouth and that he has destroyed me in our debate.  When one clicks on the link above and sees his excessive and ridiculous foul-mouth caught on tape and captured images, one would immediately realize that Sam Shamoun is indeed plainly and simply a foul liar.  I did not run a foul mouth, nor am I one who is as low as this foul missionary.  
     
     
     
    Our debate which I silenced Shamoun on:
     
    Not only that, but Osama Abdallah has destroyed your lies and absurdities at: www.answering-christianity.com/is_muhammad_true_prophet.htm.  And as to me getting humiliated in the debate, well, anyone who listens to the debate will clearly see that I have thoroughly demonstrated, through quoting ample quotes from the Bible's theologians' commentaries, that the Bible's authors are unknown and were not the original Prophets of GOD Almighty.  I also gave many Bible-verses contradicting each others - proving that the Bible is not the Pure and True Word of GOD Almighty because GOD Almighty's Holy Words can not contain contradictions in them, let alone countless contradictions and errors as we have thoroughly documented on the site.  Sam Shamoun literally remained silent to all of these devastating charges.

    I also demonstrated that a person (Jesus) who ran for his life from King Herod to Egypt can not be the Creator of the Universe.  Sam Shamoun again remained silent on this charge.

     

    Shamoun literally did not have a single word to say about these devistating charges!  
     
    He was literally silenced with his hands down!

     
     
    I also thoroughly demonstrated that Shamoun's stories that he quoted were written 200-300 years after Prophet Muhammad's (peace be upon him) natural death.  Therefore, whether they were good stories or bad stories (everything is relative to the person's perspective and point of view), they were nonetheless not accurate either way because of the major time-gap. 
     
     
     
    Shamoun soundly loses again:
     
    So much for the foul-mouthed missionary's lies and absurdities.  His lies, as always, had been soundly exposed, and his 3-part lengthy garbage that he calls "rebuttal" is no more than a propagation to the biggest pagan lie in history, trinity.  Not only the word itself doesn't even exist in the foul missionary's bible, but Jesus in ample verses clearly proved that he was no more than a Servant and a Prophet of GOD Almighty.  Please listen to
     
       

    The Trinity Audio Debate!

    (click here)

    Listen to brother Sami Zaatari destroy Sam Shamoun's arguments!

    WARNING!!  Sam Shamoun kept throwing foul insults!  Viewer's discretion is advised.

      
      

       
       

    My rebuttal to Sam Shamoun's "Refuting Osama Abdallah on Jeremiah 23:5-6" article:

    The following article is a refutation to Sam Shamoun's article that is located at: http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/jeremiah23.htm.   Below, we will see once again that Jesus, the man created from dust, can not be GOD Almighty, and most certainly was not ever called GOD Almighty.  Sam Shamoun's article is a response to my article: Answering Jeremiah 23:5-6: A big blow to Sam Shamoun's trinity nonsense existing in the Old Testament.

    You will also see corrections to some major and sensitive points to Sam Shamoun using Hebrew references that further debunk the polytheist trinity pagan lie that he believes in.

    Also, below you will see how I exposed Sam Shamoun for LYING by only quoting Hebrews 1:8,10,11,12 and deliberately skipped Hebrews 1:9 (which by itself refutes the lies that he fabricated regarding the mentioned verses), to twist the quotes and to deceive his reader and to falsely prove his trinity pagan lie.


    I wonder why would Shamoun resort to lying and deception if his polytheist trinity paganism was not a lie?

     

    He wrote:

     

    Refuting Osama Abdallah on Jeremiah 23:5-6

    A Defense of the Revelation of the Messiah’s Deity in the Old Testament

    Sam Shamoun

    Osama Abdallah has challenged Christians (*), specifically myself, to show where in the Holy Bible is Jesus ever called Yahweh God. Since Osama has broken his section into three parts we will follow suit:

    1- Refuting Osama’s denial that the OT lays the foundation for the truth of the glorious Trinity.
    2- Jesus’ royal and ancestral lineage and its implications for Osama’s beliefs as a Muslim.
    3- Osama’s Challenge Addressed and Refuted: The Bible does call Jesus Yahweh.

    All biblical citations will be taken from the Revised Standard Version (RSV) unless noted otherwise.

     

    My response:

    Ok.

     

    He wrote:

    1. Refuting Osama’s denial that the OT lays the foundation for the truth of the glorious Trinity.

    Osama begins his paper by making the following false accusation:

    On Paltalk, I asked Sam Shamoun the following question: "Show us in the Bible where Jesus was called Yahweh?" After Shamoun halted for several seconds, and started scrambling, he gave the following Verse from the Bible's Old Testament:

    "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.  In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.  (From the NIV Bible, Jeremiah 23:5-6)"

    RESPONSE:

    We must correct Osama’s misinformation about my alleged scrambling and hesitation, since there was no halting or scrambling on my part. Furthermore, Osama in the Paltalk room asked me to specifically show him where in the Old Testament is Jesus ever called Yahweh since I was dealing with the OT basis for the Trinity. In what Osama has written here one can get the very misleading impression that Osama was asking for a verse from any part of the Holy Bible, i.e. from either the Old or New Testaments. Later on in our rebuttal we will show from the New Testament where the inspired authors specifically call Jesus Yahweh.

     

    My response:

    You immediately put a "red dot" on my screen name, which means that I could not ask further questions, because my text was all blocked.  You also halted for a little while and came up with a bunch of nonsense to save face in front of your audience.   I wonder why I was "red dotted" right after my very first sentence, which was my very first question also after my peace salutation to everyone in the chat room.   What is it that scared you about me and my questions?  You have yet to be a man of your words and accept my trinity and pornography in the Bible challenge debates on paltalk that we both agreed on.

     

    Is Mr. Shamoun a coward and a liar, or a man in his words?  I'll let him answer this one for us.

     

     

    He wrote:

    In my Paltalk discussion I said to Osama that his question was rather easy to answer and posed no real problem to the Trinitarian position, and demonstrated this point by then citing Jeremiah 23:5-6. Let me again post the passage in question in order to help the readers see the point that is being made:

    "Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will raise unto David A RIGHTEOUS Branch, and he shall reign AS KING and deal wisely, and shall execute justice AND RIGHTEOUSNESS in the land. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely; and this is HIS NAME whereby he shall be called: Jehovah our righteousness (Yahweh tsidkenû)." ASV

     

    My response:

    Before I let you continue, let me first point out few major problems with this verse since trinitarians are naturally inclined toward polytheism, paganism and idol worship:

    1-  The title "Jehovah our Righteousness" is not unique.  Jerusalem too was called the very same exact title in Jeremiah 33:15-16:

    Jeremiah 33
    15 " 'In those days and at that time I will make a righteous Branch sprout from David's line; he will do what is just and right in the land.
    16 In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness.'

    Notice how Jerusalem was called "it", and the "The LORD Our Righteousness" title.  As my examples in point #4 below clearly and soundly prove, the Bible is filled with many GODLY titles that were given to people and even cities before and after Jesus.

    Also, Abraham called a mountain "The LORD will Provide" (Yahweh Jireh).  "So Abraham called that place The LORD Will Provide (Yahweh Jireh). And to this day it is said, "On the mountain of the LORD it will be provided.  (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 22:14)"


    2-  The verse says "Righteous Branch".  Is GOD Almighty a branch or one that comes from anyone's blood line?


    3-  Jesus was called a "Branch" in other places in the Old Testament.  But this time, let's see how much of a GOD Jesus really is:

    1.  A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
    2.  The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of
    counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD
    (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
    3.  and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or
    decide by what he hears with his ears;

    (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 11:1-3)

    Also, please visit:  The Spirit of GOD Almighty came upon others before and after Jesus in the Bible.

    If Jesus is truly GOD Almighty, then how can the spirit of fearing GOD Almighty be put in him?  What is the Wisdom from GOD Almighty to put the spirit of fearing Himself inside Himself?


    4-  As to his name being called "Jehovah our Righteousness", again, the Bible and the Jews' traditions and names are filled with GODLY names that were given to people.  Let's look at the following few names:

    (a)  Elijah.  This name is short for EliJehovah or Eli Yahweh.  Eli means my GOD, and Yahweh is the name and title of GOD Almighty in the Bible.  Does "Eli Yahweh" or Elijah mean that the person is Jehovah Himself?

    (b)  Gedaliah means "Jehovah is Great".  Again, Gedaliah is short for "Gedal Yahweh".  Is the person who was called "Jehovah is Great" GOD Almighty Himself?  We'll let Sam Shamoun answer this for us.

    For more examples and proofs, please visit: The "God" title in the Bible was given to others in the OT and NT.   Answering Isaiah 9:6.  The "El" (God) title that was given to Jesus in the Old Testament, and the "HOTHEOS" (God) title in the New Testament, were given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  The only UNIQUE title that exists in the Bible is "Yahweh", which means "The Eternal".

     

    He wrote:

    The branch from David, the King who acts wisely and righteously is called Yahweh tsidkênû. As one can glean from the text itself, the reason the Davidic King is called this name is because he shall usher in national salvation and righteousness, i.e., this Messianic King is the source of righteousness and vindication. Jeremiah wasn’t the only one to make this claim, albeit by divine revelation. Other prophets made similar statements about the Messiah:

    "In that day THE BRANCH of the LORD shall be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the land shall be the pride and glory of the survivors of Israel. And he who is left in Zion and remains in Jerusalem will be called holy, every one who has been recorded for life in Jerusalem, when the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion and cleansed the bloodstains of Jerusalem from its midst by a spirit of judgment and by a spirit of burning. Then the LORD will create over the whole site of Mount Zion and over her assemblies a cloud by day, and smoke and the shining of a flaming fire by night; for over all the glory there will be a canopy and a pavilion. It will be for a shade by day from the heat, and for a refuge and a shelter from the storm and rain." Isaiah 4:2-6

    "But there will be no gloom for her that was in anguish. In the former time he brought into contempt the land of Zeb'ulun and the land of Naph'tali, but in the latter time he will make glorious the way of the sea, the land beyond the Jordan, Galilee of the nations. The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shined… For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called ‘Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God (El Gibbor), Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.’ Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, upon the throne of David, and over his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with RIGHTEOUSNESS from this time forth and for evermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this." Isaiah 9:1-2, 6-7

    "There shall come forth A SHOOT from the stump of Jesse, and A BRANCH shall grow out of his roots. And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD. And his delight shall be in the fear of the LORD. He shall not judge by what his eyes see, or decide by what his ears hear; but with righteousness he shall judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth; and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips he shall slay the wicked. Righteousness shall be the girdle of his waist, and faithfulness the girdle of his loins. The wolf shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid, and the calf and the lion and the fatling together, and a little child shall lead them. The cow and the bear shall feed; their young shall lie down together; and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. The sucking child shall play over the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the adder's den. They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea. In that day the ROOT of Jesse shall stand as an ensign to the peoples; him shall the nations seek, and his dwellings shall be glorious." Isaiah 11:1-10

    "Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? He grew up before him like a tender SHOOT, and like a ROOT out of dry ground ... Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand. After the suffering of his soul, He will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will JUSTIFY many, and he will bear their iniquities. Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." Isaiah 53:1-2, 10-12 NIV

    The preceding passages from Isaiah link the Branch of God to the family of Jesse, the father of King David. Thus, Isaiah, in agreement with Jeremiah, states that the Branch is a descendent of King David who will usher in peace and righteousness as he sits enthroned as King. And much like Jeremiah, Isaiah also ascribes divine titles and functions to this Branch calling him the Mighty God and stating that he will justify (or make righteous) many by bearing their sins.

     

    My response:

    This is all fine, except that it doesn't make Jesus the Creator of the Universe.   Again, this branch that was mentioned in Isaiah was said to also have the spirit of fearing GOD Almighty in him:

    1.  A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
    2.  The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of
    counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD
    (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
    3.  and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or
    decide by what he hears with his ears;

    (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 11:1-3)

    Also, please visit:  The Spirit of GOD Almighty came upon others before and after Jesus in the Bible.

    Again, if Jesus is truly GOD Almighty, then how can the spirit of fearing GOD Almighty be put in him?  What is the Wisdom from GOD Almighty to put the spirit of fearing Himself inside Himself?

     

    The fact that this "Branch" or final Messiah or king or person will have the spirit of fearing GOD Almighty in him clearly and irrefutably means that he is only a creation from GOD Almighty and not GOD Almighty Himself, no matter how high your polytheist pagan theology tries to elate him.



    Also, the title "Jehovah our Righteousness" is not unique.  Jerusalem too was called the very same exact title in Jeremiah 33:15-16:

    Jeremiah 33
    15 " 'In those days and at that time I will make a righteous Branch sprout from David's line; he will do what is just and right in the land.
    16 In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness.'

    Notice how Jerusalem was called "it", and the "The LORD Our Righteousness" title.  Again, as to his name being called "Jehovah our Righteousness", again, the Bible and the Jews' traditions and names are filled with GODLY names that were given to people. 

    Also, Abraham called a mountain "The LORD will Provide" (Yahweh Jireh).  "So Abraham called that place The LORD Will Provide (Yahweh Jireh). And to this day it is said, "On the mountain of the LORD it will be provided.  (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 22:14)"

    Let us now look at the following few names:

    (a)  Elijah.  This name is short for EliJehovah or Eli Yahweh.  Eli means my GOD, and Yahweh is the name and title of GOD Almighty in the Bible.  Does "Eli Yahweh" or Elijah mean that the person is Jehovah Himself?

    (b)  Gedaliah means "Jehovah is Great".  Again, Gedaliah is short for "Gedal Yahweh".  Is the person who was called "Jehovah is Great" GOD Almighty Himself?  We'll let Sam Shamoun answer this for us.

    For more examples and proofs, please visit: The "God" title in the Bible was given to others in the OT and NT.   Answering Isaiah 9:6.  The "El" (God) title that was given to Jesus in the Old Testament, and the "HOTHEOS" (God) title in the New Testament, were given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  The only UNIQUE title that exists in the Bible is "Yahweh", which means "The Eternal".

     

    He wrote:

    In light of the foregoing we can now turn to Osama’s response to my appeal and exegesis of Jeremiah 23:5-6:

    Shamoun's nonsensical point was that David's Branch, who according to the Old Testament must come from David's son Solomon's blood line (2 Samuel 7:14, 1 Chronicle 17:11-14, 22:9-10 and 28:4-6), will be a King who will reign and prosper, and will execute judgement and justice in the earth, and his name will be "The LORD OUR RIGHTEOUS" or "JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUS".

    Note: The linked verses are displayed in details in the section below.

    To ordinary readers, this sounds like a sound and irrefutable proof that Jesus is indeed Yahweh Almighty! However, I have written a well-documented article that EXPOSES THE TRINITARIANS' LIES, especially in their English translations to prove that Jesus is their god. Many people before and after Jesus in the Bible were given GODLY names similar to the one above in Jeremiah 23:6.  Let us look at few of them:

    RESPONSE:

    In the first place, Osama is blatantly wrong when he asserts that other persons were given names similar to that given to the Messiah. There is no other specific person in the entire OT who is given the name Yahweh Our Righteousness, or even the title Mighty God for that matter. The closest we get to someone having a name that resembles the one given in Jeremiah 23:6 is Zedekiah, but this name isn’t at all identical. More on this below.

     

    My response:

    That is not true.  "Gabriel" means "Strong God" or "Mighty God"Ezekiel also means "Strong God" or "Mighty God".  These are Biblical names that were given to people long before Jesus was born.

     

    He wrote:

    Osama continues:

    From www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm:

    1- Ezekiel means "Strong God".  It also means "Yahweh is Strong God".
    ......
    3- Gabriel also means "Strong God".

    4- Isaiah or Jesaiah means "Salvation from Yahweh".  It could also mean "Salvation".

    5- Joshua means "Yahweh Saves".

    6- Elli, which is a common name for men before and after Jesus, means "God".   Psalm 82:6  "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' "  "gods" here in Hebrew is "Elohim", which is plural of "EL".  It is the same exact thing as "EL" used for Jesus in Isaiah 9:6, since "gods" is a combination of several "EL"s.  And as clearly shown here, for someone to be called "god" or "God" in the Bible it wouldn't make him GOD Almighty Himself, the LORD or Jehovah.  I also want to point out that ANY "Son of GOD" in the Bible is a "god" or "God" as clearly shown in Psalm 82:6.

    Note:  The trinitarian liars who translate the Bible into English play dirty tricks about capitalizing and lowering the "g" in "God" to prove their trinity lie, while they fully know that it is the same word used for ALL!

    ............

    RESPONSE:

    To begin with Elohim is the plural of Eloah not of El. Elim is the plural of El, so Osama is wrong regarding Psalm 82:6 being the same exact thing as El Gibbor in Isaiah 9:6.

     

    My response:

    Let me correct this mistake of yours for you.  Elohim is also the plural of El as clearly shown in this expert Hebrew web site:

    "Elohim is a common name of deity in the Hebrew Bible. It is one of a group of kindred words, to which belong also El and Eloah."

    "Some trace its origin in el or ul which may mean ("to be strong") or possibly ("to be in front"), from which also are derived ayil ("ram", the one in front of the flock) and elah (the prominent "terebinth"); Elohim would then be an expanded plural form of El."

    (http://www.fact-index.com/e/el/elohim.html)

     

    He wrote:

    Second, Osama candidly admits that Isaiah 9:6 does refer to the Lord Jesus Christ, whereas in other articles he actually denies that it does. In the following article Osama tries to prove that Isaiah 9 actually refers to Hezekiah:

    ... In the verse under study, the prophet expounds his message by formulating a prophetic name for Hezekiah. The words of this name form a sentence expressive of God's greatness, which will become manifest in the benefits to be bestowed upon the future king in his lifetime. Thus, the name, though borne by the king, serves, in reality, as a testimonial to God.

    Hezekiah is called "a wonderful counselor" because this name is a sign, which foretells God's design for him ...

    Hezekiah is called "the mighty God" because this name is a sign that foretells God's defense of Jerusalem through the miraculous sudden mass death of Sennacherib's army ...

    The fact remains that Jesus did not literally or figuratively fulfill any of Isaiah's words. A wonderful counselor does not advise his followers that if they have faith they can be agents of destruction (Matthew 21:19-21; Mark 11:14, 20-23). A mighty God does not take orders from anyone (Luke2:51, Hebrews 5:8), for no one is greater than he is (Matthew 12:31-32; John 5:30, 14:28). Moreover, he does not ask or need to be saved by anyone (Matthew 26:39, Luke 22:42), for he cannot die by any means (Matthew 27:50, Mark 15:37, Luke 23:46, John 19:30). He who is called the Son of God the Father (John 1:18, 3:16) cannot himself be called everlasting Father. One cannot play simultaneously the role of the son and the Father; it is an obvious self-contradiction. He who advocates family strife (Matthew 10:34-35, Luke 12:49-53) and killing enemies (Luke 19:27) cannot be called a ruler of peace. (Source)

    Thus, Osama seems to be changing his position from one paper to another, a clear indication of just how confused he is about what the Holy Bible actually teaches. For the evidence showing that Isaiah 9 is not speaking of Hezekiah, please consult this article.

     

    My response:

    I am not changing positions.  My points were taken from www.jewsforjudaism.org, and I only proved that Isaiah 9:6 does not in anyway refer to GOD Almighty since the Jews themselves have strong evidence that Isaiah 9:6 points to one of their kings.  I was in other words exposing the doubts in the Bible and disproving the polytheist trinity paganism lie.

     

    He wrote:

    Third, Psalm 82:6 in no way supports Osama’s claim that a Son of God in the Holy Bible is a god or God. For more on Psalm 82:6-7 please read our article on John 10:34-36.

     

    My response:

    As I proved above, it is widely believed by many that Elohim is the plural of El, and Psalm 82:6 makes a very powerful statement that further debunks the trinity lie.  For the reader's convenience, here is the verse:

    Psalm 82:6  "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.' "

    You are Elohims and you are GOD Almighty's sons.  You are what Jesus was called and you are the "sons" of the same GOD Almighty that Jesus is also his son.

    That's what the verse is saying.


    To the reader, please visit:  In original Hebrew, the literal meaning of "son of GOD" is actually "Servant of GOD".  GOD Almighty has no sons!

     

    He wrote:

    Finally, Osama lumps all Trinitarian translators together as liars and implies that there is some sort of conspiracy behind their choosing to either capitalize the g in God, or to write it in lower case. Now either Osama is God because he apparently knows the motives of all these men’s hearts, or this is simply another indication of Osama’s ad hominem attacks coming into play. His comments reflect more of Osama’s paranoia than it does reality.

    The possible reason why many of these translators (if not all) choose to write God with a lower case g when used of others besides Yahweh is because they presumably are aware that the Holy Bible says that Yahweh alone is God. We can safely assume that they are also aware of the fact that the consistent teaching of the Holy Bible is that the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit all exist as this one true God, having all the attributes of the one eternal God. After all, they are Trinitarians for a reason. Thus, the translators will use the lower case for God or gods when the text is speaking of other beings that are not Yahweh God, but will retain the capital g in God when the text is referring to either Yahweh God Almighty or to any of the three eternal Persons of the Godhead.

     

    My response:

    I am not GOD Almighty.  There are many Bible believers such as Jews and Jehovah Witnesses and other Unitarians fully agree with my position.  So the utter nonsense that you spoke above is baseless.  Yes, your trinitarian translators are decievers and liars, because they twist and play with "El" and "Elohim" and "HOTHEOS", which are titles that were given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible, but yet, the liars lower the "g" for them and capitalize it for Jesus.

    To the reader, for more proofs and elaboration, again please visit: The "God" title in the Bible was given to others in the OT and NT.   Answering Isaiah 9:6.  The "El" (God) title that was given to Jesus in the Old Testament, and the "HOTHEOS" (God) title in the New Testament, were given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  The only UNIQUE title that exists in the Bible is "Yahweh", which means "The Eternal".

     

    He wrote:

    But since Osama impugns the motives and integrity of all Trinitarian Bible translators, we return the favor and call his attention to the following section dealing with Muslim translators and their less than honest handling of the Quranic text: www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Versions/.

     

    My response:

    The Arabic Noble Quran is only one.  There are no versions for it.  It is only stupid and crazy from you to expect all English translations to be exactly the same.  Writers are humans and they write in different styles and use different words that mean the same thing (such as lucky and fortunate; war and battle; sad and upset; etc....) in their writings.

    What I am talking about here is not simple differences in English translations, but rather FAITH-SHAKING clear and deliberate deceptions and lies made by the trinitarian translators to prove the polytheist trinity paganism lie.  Big difference.

     

    He wrote:

    We return to Osama’s list:

    8- Elihu means "My God is He".

    9- Gedaliah means "Jehovah is Great". People before and after Jesus are given this name. See 2 Kings 25:22-24.

    10- Eliadah or Eliada means "God knows".
    ............
    12- Elzaphan means "God is Protector"

    13- Eliakim means "God raises".

    14- Elisha means "God is Salvation".

    As you CLEARLY can see, the "LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS" title that is given in Jeremiah 23:6 is no different than any of the JEWISH NAMES GIVEN TO PEOPLE AT BIRTH above.  It's just another GODly name that Jews traditionally have made up to name each others, which obviously had contributed to the world-wide catastrophe of the polytheist trinity pagan lie that was created 1700 years ago (trinity being invented and born around year 325 by Constantine)!!

    RESPONSE:

    Several responses are necessary in order to correct Osama’s gross false analogy and misunderstanding. First, as was already stated above, the title in Jeremiah 23:6 isn’t like the other names and titles listed by Osama. We also do not find this title used anywhere else for any other person. So Osama’s claim that the title is one of the Godly names that Jews traditionally give to each other is blatantly false.

     

    My response:

    This point had been refuted above, because there is nothing unique about the Messiah's title.  Like I said above, let me point out few major problems with this verse since trinitarians are naturally inclined toward polytheism, paganism and idol worship:

    1-  The title "Jehovah our Righteousness" is not unique.  Jerusalem too was called the very same exact title in Jeremiah 33:15-16:

    Jeremiah 33
    15 " 'In those days and at that time I will make a righteous Branch sprout from David's line; he will do what is just and right in the land.
    16 In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness.'

    Notice how Jerusalem was called "it", and the "The LORD Our Righteousness" title.  As my examples in point #4 below clearly and soundly prove, the Bible is filled with many GODLY titles that were given to people and even cities before and after Jesus.

    Also, Abraham called a mountain "The LORD will Provide" (Yahweh Jireh).  "So Abraham called that place The LORD Will Provide (Yahweh Jireh). And to this day it is said, "On the mountain of the LORD it will be provided.  (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 22:14)"


    2-  The verse says "Righteous Branch".  Is GOD Almighty a branch or one that comes from anyone's blood line?


    3-  Jesus was called a "Branch" in other places in the Old Testament.  But this time, let's see how much of a GOD Jesus really is:

    1.  A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
    2.  The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of
    counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD
    (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
    3.  and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or
    decide by what he hears with his ears;

    (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 11:1-3)

    Also, please visit:  The Spirit of GOD Almighty came upon others before and after Jesus in the Bible.

    If Jesus is truly GOD Almighty, then how can the spirit of fearing GOD Almighty be put in him?  What is the Wisdom from GOD Almighty to put the spirit of fearing Himself inside Himself?


    4-  As to his name being called "Jehovah our Righteousness", again, the Bible and the Jews' traditions and names are filled with GODLY names that were given to people.  Let's look at the following few names:

    (a)  Elijah.  This name is short for EliJehovah or Eli Yahweh.  Eli means my GOD, and Yahweh is the name and title of GOD Almighty in the Bible.  Does "Eli Yahweh" or Elijah mean that the person is Jehovah Himself?

    (b)  Gedaliah means "Jehovah is Great".  Again, Gedaliah is short for "Gedal Yahweh".  Is the person who was called "Jehovah is Great" GOD Almighty Himself?  We'll let Sam Shamoun answer this for us.

    For more examples and proofs, please visit: The "God" title in the Bible was given to others in the OT and NT.   Answering Isaiah 9:6.  The "El" (God) title that was given to Jesus in the Old Testament, and the "HOTHEOS" (God) title in the New Testament, were given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  The only UNIQUE title that exists in the Bible is "Yahweh", which means "The Eternal".

     

    He wrote:

    Furthermore, Osama fails to distinguish between proper names of persons as descriptions of specific characteristics of the particular Deity worshiped by the individual bearing that specific name, with titles and/or names that describe the person's own nature or character.

     

    My response:

    Specific characteristics?  Him fearing GOD Almighty and delight in fearing GOD Almighty means he is the Creator to you?  Hilarious indeed.  Also, the names that I listed above clearly debunk your points!  Yes people were called GODLY names and titles before and after Jesus in the Bible.

    Anyway, let me paste the refutation to your "branch" nonsense once again:

    1.  A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
    2.  The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of
    counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD
    (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
    3.  and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or
    decide by what he hears with his ears;

    (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 11:1-3)

    Also, please visit:  The Spirit of GOD Almighty came upon others before and after Jesus in the Bible.

    Again, if Jesus is truly GOD Almighty, then how can the spirit of fearing GOD Almighty be put in him?  What is the Wisdom from GOD Almighty to put the spirit of fearing Himself inside Himself?

     

    The fact that this "Branch" or final Messiah or king or person will have the spirit of fearing GOD Almighty in him clearly and irrefutably means that he is only a creation from GOD Almighty and not GOD Almighty Himself, no matter how high your polytheist pagan theology tries to elate him.

     

    Also, the title "Jehovah our Righteousness" is not unique.  Jerusalem too was called the very same exact title in Jeremiah 33:15-16:

    Jeremiah 33
    15 " 'In those days and at that time I will make a righteous Branch sprout from David's line; he will do what is just and right in the land.
    16 In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness.'

    Notice how Jerusalem was called "it", and the "The LORD Our Righteousness" title.  Again, as to his name being called "Jehovah our Righteousness", again, the Bible and the Jews' traditions and names are filled with GODLY names that were given to people. 

    Also, Abraham called a mountain "The LORD will Provide" (Yahweh Jireh).  "So Abraham called that place The LORD Will Provide (Yahweh Jireh). And to this day it is said, "On the mountain of the LORD it will be provided.  (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 22:14)"

    Let us now look at the following few names:

    (a)  Elijah.  This name is short for EliJehovah or Eli Yahweh.  Eli means my GOD, and Yahweh is the name and title of GOD Almighty in the Bible.  Does "Eli Yahweh" or Elijah mean that the person is Jehovah Himself?

    (b)  Gedaliah means "Jehovah is Great".  Again, Gedaliah is short for "Gedal Yahweh".  Is the person who was called "Jehovah is Great" GOD Almighty Himself?  We'll let Sam Shamoun answer this for us.

    For more examples and proofs, please visit: The "God" title in the Bible was given to others in the OT and NT.   Answering Isaiah 9:6.  The "El" (God) title that was given to Jesus in the Old Testament, and the "HOTHEOS" (God) title in the New Testament, were given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  The only UNIQUE title that exists in the Bible is "Yahweh", which means "The Eternal".

     

    He wrote:

    The technical term for names that contain elements of the Divine name is theophoric onomastica. Names such as Elijah (My God is Yah) and Elihu (My God is he) are theophoric since they contain elements of God’s name, just as Osama correctly noted. These names are describing the Deity worshiped or believed in by Elijah and Elihu. The names are not intended to describe the characteristics of either Elijah or Elihu.

    However, Osama seems to erroneously assume that the names given to the Messianic King are a reflection of the God he serves as opposed to being descriptions of the Messiah’s very own nature and character. The immediate problem with Osama’s assertion is that the name Yahweh tsidkenû is different than all other names that bear a divine element such as Elijah - or virtually all names ending in iah such as Jeremiah (representing yah in Hebrew) - or, names including ’el, God, or ’adon, Lord. The difference is that whereas the elements ’el and ’adon are spelled out in full (in names such as Ammiel or Adonizedek), names that contain the divine name Yahweh always use it in abbreviated form, either at the beginning (represented by names such as Jehoram or Jehu) or at the end (represented by names ending in iah or jah). It is only in connection with the Messianic King do we find the Lord’s name written in full.

    To help clarify this point, contrast the name Yahweh tsidkenû with the name Zedekiah. Zedekiah in Hebrew is tsidkiyahû, "Yahweh is my righteousness." Note that in the former case the divine name is spelled out fully, whereas in the case with Zedekiah it is abbreviated. We also know that Zedekiah is not a description of the king since he was anything but righteous:

    "Then Jeremiah said to them: Thus you shall say to Zedeki'ah, ‘Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel: Behold, I will turn back the weapons of war which are in your hands and with which you are fighting against the king of Babylon and against the Chalde'ans who are besieging you outside the walls; and I will bring them together into the midst of this city. I myself will fight against you with outstretched hand and strong arm, in anger, and in fury, and in great wrath. And I will smite the inhabitants of this city, both man and beast; they shall die of a great pestilence. Afterward, says the LORD, I will give Zedeki'ah king of Judah, and his servants, and the people in this city who survive the pestilence, sword, and famine, into the hand of Nebuchadrez'zar king of Babylon and into the hand of their enemies, into the hand of those who seek their lives. He shall smite them with the edge of the sword; he shall not pity them, or spare them, or have compassion.’" Jeremiah 21:3-7

    Therefore, the name Zedekiah describes the Deity whom the king was to serve and worship, i.e., Yahweh as the righteous God in whom people find their vindication.

     

    My response:

    Thank you for helping further prove my point.  While Zedekiah the king was not righteous, but the name itself refutes your trinity lie, because Yawheh Zedekiah is the same as "Yahweh tsidkenû" as you put it.  Shamoun's entire argument is based on the fact that the Hebrew names are shortened, while the Messiah's name isn't.  This is quite silly, because it is only natural for people to shorten the too long names if they could!

    Isn't today's Michael shortened as "Mike" and Samuel shortened as "Sam"?


    You using this silly logic to prove the polytheist trinity pagan lie is quite preposterous!   You are guilty of polytheism and paganism Sam Shamoun.  I pray that you repent to GOD Almighty and start worshiping Him properly!

    There is nothing unique about the title in Jeremiah 23:5-6 above.  In fact, it is even lesser than the other titles that I gave:

    1-  Elijah.  This name is short for EliJehovah or "Eli Yahweh".  Eli means my GOD, and Yahweh is the name and title of GOD Almighty in the Bible.  Does "Eli Yahweh" or Elijah mean that the person is Jehovah Himself?

    2- Gedaliah means "Jehovah is Great".   Again, Gedaliah is short for "Gedal Yahweh".  Is the person who was called "Jehovah is Great" GOD Almighty Himself?  People before and after Jesus are given this name.  See 2 Kings 25:22-24.


    These titles are much stronger than "Yahweh is Righteousness"!

     

    Also, and again, the title "Jehovah our Righteousness" is not unique.  Jerusalem too was called the very same exact title in Jeremiah 33:15-16:

    Jeremiah 33
    15 " 'In those days and at that time I will make a righteous Branch sprout from David's line; he will do what is just and right in the land.
    16 In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will live in safety. This is the name by which it will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness.'

    Notice how Jerusalem was called "it", and the "The LORD Our Righteousness" title.  Again, as to his name being called "Jehovah our Righteousness", again, the Bible and the Jews' traditions and names are filled with GODLY names that were given to people. 

    Also, Abraham called a mountain "The LORD will Provide" (Yahweh Jireh).  "So Abraham called that place The LORD Will Provide (Yahweh Jireh). And to this day it is said, "On the mountain of the LORD it will be provided.  (From the NIV Bible, Genesis 22:14)"

    Let us now look at the following few names:

    (a)  Elijah.  This name is short for EliJehovah or Eli Yahweh.  Eli means my GOD, and Yahweh is the name and title of GOD Almighty in the Bible.  Does "Eli Yahweh" or Elijah mean that the person is Jehovah Himself?

    (b)  Gedaliah means "Jehovah is Great".  Again, Gedaliah is short for "Gedal Yahweh".  Is the person who was called "Jehovah is Great" GOD Almighty Himself?  We'll let Sam Shamoun answer this for us.

    For more examples and proofs, please visit: The "God" title in the Bible was given to others in the OT and NT.   Answering Isaiah 9:6.  The "El" (God) title that was given to Jesus in the Old Testament, and the "HOTHEOS" (God) title in the New Testament, were given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  The only UNIQUE title that exists in the Bible is "Yahweh", which means "The Eternal".

     

    He wrote:

    But in the case of the Messianic Branch we do know that this is a description of his own character since he himself is righteous as the context shows:

    "... a RIGHTEOUS Branch, and he shall reign as king and deal wisely, and shall execute justice and RIGHTEOUSNESS in the land ... And this is the name by which he will be called: ‘The LORD is our RIGHTEOUSNESS.’" Jeremiah 23:5-6

    The Messiah is righteous and ushers in righteousness because he is Yahweh our Righteousness, the One in whom we receive and find our vindication. Thus, Jeremiah is equating this King with Yahweh himself! The passage in Jeremiah demonstrates that the Messiah would be the complete embodiment of what the name actually represents. Hence, the title Yahweh our Righteousness signifies that the Messiah would be the manifestation of Yahweh God himself coming to dwell with his people in order to usher in their vindication and justification.

     

    My response:

    That is only the wishful thinking from the polytheist trinity paganism lie that you believe in.  As I've shown above, the "Righteous" "Branch" that was mentioned in Jeremiah and Isaiah was also said to have the spirit of "fearing" GOD Almighty in him and he will "delight in the fear of the LORD".   This is a clear proof that the branch will only be a human Prophet and a creation of GOD Almighty, and not GOD Almighty Himself.


    You have yet to answer why did GOD Almighty say that He will put the Spirit of fearing GOD Almighty in the "branch"?

     

     

    He wrote:

    Furthermore, as we mentioned above, the prophet Isaiah calls the Messiah the Mighty God [El Gibbor - cf. Isa. 9:6], a title never used by Isaiah for anyone but Yahweh God:

    "In that day the remnant of Israel and the survivors of the house of Jacob will no more lean upon him that smote them, but will lean upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. A remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the mighty God (El Gibbor)." Isaiah 10:20-21

    In light of the foregoing, we can safely conclude that the names that the prophets give to the Messiah by divine inspiration are not simply descriptions of the God whom the Messiah serves. They rather describe the Messiah’s own divine nature and characteristics, and highlight the divine works that Messiah performs by virtue of his being fully divine.

     

    My response:

    Again, this is another wishful thinking from the polytheist trinity pagan lie that you believe in.  The names "Gabri El" or "Gabriel" and "Ezeki El" or "Ezeki El" both mean "Strong or Mighty God".   Jesus' title is not unique at all, like his miracles too.

    Please visit: Jesus' Miracles were not unique in the Bible.

     

    He wrote:

    2. Jesus’ royal and ancestral lineage and its implications for Osama’s beliefs as a Muslim

    Osama now tries to attack Jesus’ Messiahship by making reference to his lineage. He enlists the help of Jews for Judaism, an organization devoted to undermining the Messianic claims of the Lord Jesus Christ:

    Also, Jesus WAS NOT from King Solomon's blood!!

    Another blow to the trinity lie that Mr. Shamoun believes in is that Jeremiah 23:5-6 along with 2 Samuel 7:14, 1 Chronicle 17:11-14, 22:9-10 and 28:4-6 above are talking about a King coming from David's blood line. Not only from David's blood line, but he also has to be specifically from King Solomon's (King David's son) blood line. So in other words, the Messiah can not even be from Nathan's (King David's other son) blood line:

    "I will be his father, and he will be my son. When he does wrong, I will punish him with the rod of men, with floggings inflicted by men. (From the NIV Bible, 2 Samuel 7:14)"

    "When your days are over and you go to be with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring to succeed you, one of your own sons, and I will establish his kingdom. He is the one who will build a house for me, and I will establish his throne forever. I will be his father, and he will be my son. I will never take my love away from him, as I took it away from your predecessor. I will set him over my house and my kingdom forever; his throne will be established forever.' "  (From the NIV Bible, 1 Chronicles 17:11-14)"

    "But you will have a son who will be a man of peace and rest, and I will give him rest from all his enemies on every side. His name will be Solomon, and I will grant Israel peace and quiet during his reign. He is the one who will build a house for my Name. He will be my son, and I will be his father. And I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever.' (From the NIV Bible, 1 Chronicles 22:9-10)"

    " "Yet the LORD , the God of Israel, chose me from my whole family to be king over Israel forever. He chose Judah as leader, and from the house of Judah he chose my family, and from my father's sons he was pleased to make me king over all Israel. Of all my sons-and the LORD has given me many-he has chosen my son Solomon to sit on the throne of the kingdom of the LORD over Israel. 6 He said to me: 'Solomon your son is the one who will build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father.  (From the NIV Bible, 1 Chronicles 28:4-6)"

    * The above verses were found at: www.jewsforjudaism.org.

    To claim that Jesus was a Messiah is onething.  But to say that he was from King David's blood line is preposterous!  The reason for this is because Jesus has no biological earthly father, and therefore, he CAN NOT be the Messiah that Mr. Shamoun referred to in Jeremiah 23:5-6.  And even if he was, this still doesn't prove jack about him being the GOD Almighty of this Universe!

    RESPONSE:

    Osama apparently doesn’t see the dilemma he has placed himself in. The whole intent of the Jews for Judaism’s article isn’t to simply show that Jesus wasn’t a King, but that he wasn’t even the Messiah!

    The Jewish Messiah: The Criteria

    The Jewish tradition of "The Messiah" has its foundation in numerous biblical references, and understands "The Messiah" to be a human being - without any overtone of deity or divinity - who will bring about certain changes in the world and fulfill certain criteria before he can be acknowledged as "The Messiah". …

    He must be a direct male descendant of King David and King Solomon, his son - "And when your days (David) are fulfilled, and you shall sleep with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who shall issue from your bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. He shall build a house for my name, and I will make firm the throne of his kingdom forever..." (2 Samuel 7:12 - 13) (Source: www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/general-messiah-criteria.html)

    Notice carefully that Jews for Judaism are speaking of the criteria for being the Jewish Messiah, not simply for being King. Osama has falsely distinguished Messiahship from royalty since he fails to realize that being the Messiah also meant being the Davidic King. The Jews for Judaism do realize this and do not make any distinction between the two since they know that this is what the Hebrew Scriptures teach about the Jewish Messiah.

    Osama wanted to have his cake and then eat it too, but in reality he is now in a vicious dilemma. Being a Muslim Osama must believe that Jesus is the Messiah of God as the following Quranic verse shows:

    (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah). Surah 3:45 Pickthall

    And yet to believe that Jesus is the Messiah is to also believe that Jesus is the prophesied King from the line of David. To reject one is to reject the other since you can’t have one without the other.

    Osama can’t have it both ways; he can’t simply embrace Jesus as the Messiah but deny Jesus as the Davidic King. He either agrees with Jews for Judaism and therefore views Jesus as a false Messiah, thereby discrediting not just the New Testament but both Muhammad and the Quran as well. Or, he agrees with the Quran that Jesus is the Messiah, thereby agreeing with the biblical teaching that Jesus, as the Messiah, is the righteous Branch of David who is Yahweh God in the flesh!

    And yet by believing in Jesus’ Messiahship, Osama is now forced to reject Muhammad and his Quran since Muhammad denied both the Messiah Jesus’ Deity and royal status!

    The issue of Jesus’ genealogy, and whether he qualifies to be the Messiah, are already addressed quite thoroughly in the following articles:

    http://answering-islam.org/Shamoun/davids_seed.htm
    http://www.christian-thinktank.com/fabprof4.html
    http://www.tektonics.org/jesgen.html
    http://www.tektonics.org/whojsdad.html

    So we will try to be brief here. The Gospels of Matthew and Luke both include Jesus’ genealogy (Cf. Matthew 1:1-17; Luke 3:23-38). The overall emphasis on Mary in the beginning chapters of Luke leads us to conclude that the author is tracing Jesus’ genealogy through his mother’s line. Since Mary is Jesus’ actual biological mother, then Jesus is truly a biological descendant of David. Yet Luke traces Jesus’ lineage to David through his son Nathan, not Solomon.

    From the internal evidence in Matthew it seems safe to conclude that Matthew is giving us Joseph’s lineage, a lineage which does trace back to Solomon:

    "and Jesse the father of David the king. And David was the father of Solomon by the wife of Uri'ah ... and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ. Matthew 1:6, 16

    But the problem here is that even though Joseph is from the line of Solomon, he is not Jesus’ biological father, and Jesus is therefore not a biological descendant of Solomon. Thus, Osama’s point doesn’t only undermine Christian beliefs, but also his beliefs as a Muslim. Good job Osama!

    In reality though, the problem is resolved when we realize that Joseph became Jesus’ legal father, conferring upon Christ the legal status of an heir:

    "When Joseph woke from sleep, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded him; he took his wife, but knew her not until she had borne a son; and HE called his name Jesus." Matthew 1:24-25

    Joseph naming the child was significant in showing that the former had taken Jesus to be his son, albeit adoptively. As Messianic Jewish scholar Dr. David H. Stern notes:

    Yosef’s behavior shows that he accepted Yeshua as his son. According to the Mishna, "If one say, ‘This is my son,’ he is to be believed" (Bava Batra 8:6). The Gemara explains that he is believed "as regards the right of inheritance" (Bava Batra 134a). Thus Yeshua, as a legally acknowledged son, is entitled to inherit the throne of King David from Yosef, a descendant of David (v. 8). (This point is made in Philip Goble, How to Point to Yeshua in Your Rabbi’s Bible, New York: Artists for Israel, 1986.) (Stern, Jewish New Testament Commentary [Clarksville, Maryland; Jewish New Testament Publications, 1996], p. 8)

    Thus, Jesus, according to the Holy Scriptures, is an actual biological descendant of David from his mother’s side and a legal descendant of Solomon through his legal father’s side. This is perhaps the reason why the NT writers could apply OT passages regarding God’s promises about Solomon to the Lord Jesus:

    "I will be his father, and he shall be my son. When he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, with the stripes of the sons of men;" 2 Samuel 7:14

    And:

    "He reflects the glory of God and bears the very stamp of his nature, upholding the universe by his word of power. When he had made purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, having become as much superior to angels as the name he has obtained is more excellent than theirs. For to what angel did God ever say, ‘Thou art my Son, today I have begotten thee’? Or again, ‘I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son’? Hebrews 1:3-5

    Therefore, Osama’s attack on the OT testimony for the Deity of the Messiah due to Jesus not being from the line of Solomon completely vanishes into thin air. It is nothing more than a smokescreen that fails to undermine the fact that the Hebrew Scriptures do point to the Messiah as the visible manifestation of Yahweh God Almighty.

     

    My response:

    First of all, no where in the Noble Quran does it say that Jesus had to be from the blood line of David peace be upon both of them.  In fact, according to the Noble Quran, when Mary came back to her people with baby Jesus peace be upon both of them, they called her "O sister of Aaron":

    "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!  (The Noble Quran, 19:28)"

    Aaron was Moses' brother, peace be upon both of them.  The "sister of" is metaphoric exactly as "Jesus is the son of David" in the New Testament.   The thing about the New Testament though is that it is filled with contradictions against the Old Testament as we will shortly see below.  The New Testament's justifications for Jesus' blood line are soundly debunked and refuted in the Old Testament as shown below.  The Old Testament's conditions for the Messiah and the Jews' ultimate King in the Old Testament, however, had been SUBSTITUTED through Islam!  The following are the reasons:

    "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!  (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 23:37)"

    Jesus said to the Jews: "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation [the Muslims] bringing forth the fruits thereof.  (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 21:43)"

    "When We substitute one revelation for another,- and God knows best what He reveals (in stages),- they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.  (The Noble Quran, 16:101)"

    "None of Our revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but We substitute something better or similar: Knowest thou not that God Hath power over all things?  (The Noble Quran, 2:106)"


    Yes, the Jews had miserably failed with GOD Almighty and He is through with them.   They used to GOD Almighty's Chosen people, but they are now no more:

    "We did aforetime grant to the Children of Israel the Book the Power of Command, and Prophethood; We gave them, for Sustenance, things good and pure; and We favoured them above the nations.  (The Noble Quran, 45:16)"

     

    GOD Almighty is NOT STUCK with the Jews.  Yes, He Praised them in the Old Testament, but like I said, He is NOT STUCK with them.  He did substitute them with the Muslims, who truly Worship Him and Prostrate to Him and Glorify Him Properly and Fully.

     

    When I quoted what the "Jews for Judaism" said, I only showed and proved that in your corrupt bible (even its theologians and historians claim that its books and gospels were written by people who were not annointed by GOD Almighty), we find sound refutations about Jesus being the Messiah.   There is a sound and clear contradiction between both the New Testament and the Old Testament in the Bible.  The Old Testament is clear about the final Messiah being from the blood line of Solomon peace be upon him.  The New Testament contradicts this.  Also, in the Old Testament, the person's blood line is to be traced through his father and not his mother:

    Numbers 1
    18 And they assembled all the congregation together on the first day of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls.
    19 As the LORD commanded Moses, so he numbered them in the wilderness of Sinai.
    20 And the children of Reuben, Israel's eldest son, by their generations, after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, by their polls, every male from twenty years old and upward, all that were able to go forth to war;

    Ezra 2
    59 And these were they which went up from Telmelah, Telharsa, Cherub, Addan, and Immer: but they could not shew their father's house, and their seed, whether they were of Israel:
    60 The children of Delaiah, the children of Tobiah, the children of Nekoda, six hundred fifty and two.
    61 And of the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai; which took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the Gileadite, and was called after their name:


    The New Testament abrogated this.  But still, the New Testament fell terribly short to trace Mary to the blood line of Solomon or even David.  Here is more proofs from the www.jewsforjudaism.com web site:

    ...........

    11) According to the Jewish Bible, the Messiah must be a descendent of King David.  (Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17; Ezekiel 34:23-24)  Although the Greek Testament traces the genealogy of Joseph (husband of Mary) back to David, it then claims that Jesus resulted from a virgin birth, and, that Joseph was not his  father.  (Mat. 1:18-23)  In response, it is claimed that Joseph adopted Jesus, and passed on his genealogy via adoption. 

    There are two problems with this claim: 

       a) there is no Biblical basis for the idea of a father passing on his tribal line by adoption.  A priest who adopts a son from another tribe cannot make him a priest by adoption;

       b) Joseph could never pass on by adoption that which he doesn’t have.  Because Joseph descended from Jeconiah (Mat. 1:11) he fell under the curse of that king that none of his descendants could ever sit as king upon the throne of David.  (Jeremiah 22:30; 36:30). 

    To answer this difficult problem, apologists claim that Jesus traces himself back to King David through his mother Mary, who allegedly descends from David, as shown in the third chapter of Luke.  There are four basic problems with this claim:

      a]  There is no evidence that Mary descends from David.  The third chapter of Luke traces Joseph’s genealogy, not Mary’s.

       b]  Even if Mary can trace herself back to David, that doesn’t help Jesus, since tribal affiliation goes only through the father, not mother.  Cf. Num. 1:18; Ezra 2:59.

       c]  Even if family line could go through the mother, Mary was not from a legitimate Messianic family.  According to the Bible, the Messiah must be a descendent of David through his son Solomon (II Sam. 7:14; I Chron. 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6The third chapter of Luke is useless because it goes through David’s son Nathan, not Solomon.   (Luke 3:31)

       d]  Luke 3:27 lists Shealtiel and Zerubbabel in his genealogy.  These two also appear in Matthew 1:12 as descendants of the cursed Jeconiah.  If Mary descends from them, it would also disqualify her from being a Messianic progenitor.

     

     

    He wrote:


    3. Osama’s Challenge Addressed and Refuted - The Bible does call Jesus Yahweh.

    Osama concludes:

    The challenge still stands Shamoun, WHERE in the Bible was Jesus ever called "Yahweh"???!!!

    After Mr. Shamoun had been miserably defeated above, my question and challenge still stand to his polytheist trinity lie and paganism:

    WHERE in the Bible was Jesus EVER called "Yahweh"?

    The rest of the verses that Shamoun used to prove his trinity LIE will be SOUNDLY DEBUNKED like the above ones shortly, insha'Allah (if Allah Almighty is Willing).

    RESPONSE:

    By referring to the Bible, Osama has indirectly expanded his initial request to show him a passage from the Hebrew Bible where the Lord Jesus is called Yahweh. The term Bible, without any qualification, refers to both the OT canon and the NT scriptures. Therefore, since Osama asks us to show him from the Bible, meaning both the Old and New Testaments, we are only too glad to oblige by meeting the challenge.

     

    My response:

    My challenged has not been refuted.  You have not even given a legitimate response!  You miserably failed to trace Mary to the blood line of Solomon.  You miserably failed to even prove that mothers' blood line can be used for family tracing.   You miserably failed to respond to the GODLY names and titles that were given to many others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  And last but not least, your "branch" point had been soundly debunked by showing and proving that this branch will have the spirit of fearing GOD Almighty in him and will "delight in the fear of the LORD".


    I wonder how can GOD Almighty fear Himself?  And how can GOD Almighty EVER have any type of fear in Him??!!


    We'll let the polytheist trinitarian pagans respond to this point by giving more humiliating and embaracing answers to their pagan lie.

     

     

    The different "Canons" of the Bible!

    Different and conflicting variations of "gospels" and "books" that are disagreed upon by the Churches today.

     

     

    He wrote:

    First example:

    "But of THE SON he says ... And, ‘Thou, Lord, didst found the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of thy hands; they will perish, but thou remainest; they will all grow old like a garment, like a mantle thou wilt roll them up, and they will be changed. But thou art the same, and thy years will never end.’" Hebrews 1:8a, 10-12

    "‘O my God,’ I say, ‘take me not hence in the midst of my days, thou whose years endure throughout all generations!’ Of old thou didst lay the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of thy hands. They will perish, but thou dost endure; they will all wear out like a garment. Thou changest them like raiment, and they pass away; but thou art the same, and thy years have no end.’" Psalm 102:24-27

    Note that Hebrews applies the preceding Psalm regarding Yahweh’s role as Creator to the Lord Jesus!

     

    My response:

    Notice how Sam Shamoun, the liar, skipped Hebrews 1:9 above, and only gave Hebrews 1:8,10,11,12.  The reason he did this is because Hebrews 1:9 refutes his polytheist trinitarian pagan lie.  Here is how Hebrews 1:8-12 read from the King James Version Bible:

    Hebrews 1
    8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
    9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
    10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
    11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
    12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

    Few points to mention:

    1-  The verses are talking about GOD Almighty's Creation and Him laying down the foundation of the earth, and the throne of Jesus on earth.

    2-  "therefore God, even thy God, hath annointed thee" is really saying "therefore leader, even your GOD Almighty, hath annointed thee".  The reason I say this is because as I proved, even satan was given the same "God" title that Jesus was given:

    "The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Corinthians 4:4)"

    Satan was called "hotheos", which is the same exact word given to Jesus throughout the New Testament.  Yet, the trinitarian pagan liars try to deceive the reader and give false conclusions that Jesus is the Creator of the universe, similar to what Sam Shamoun the liar tried to do by removing Hebrews 1:9 from his quotes above.   Satanic indeed!

    3-  Sam Shamoun, the liar, tried to prove that Jesus is the one who created Heavens and earth and laid the earth's foundations through twisting the quotes above by falsely showing that Jesus has no GOD and that he is GOD Almighty Himself.  That is the only reason why the liar deliberately didn't quote Hebrews 1:9.


    Again, please visit: The "God" title in the Bible was given to others in the OT and NT.   Answering Isaiah 9:6.  The "El" (God) title that was given to Jesus in the Old Testament, and the "HOTHEOS" (God) title in the New Testament, were given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  The only UNIQUE title that exists in the Bible is "Yahweh", which means "The Eternal".

     

    He wrote:

    Second example:

    "because, if you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For man believes with his heart and so is justified, and he confesses with his lips and so is saved. The scripture says, ‘No one who believes in him will be put to shame.’ For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; the same Lord is Lord of all and bestows his riches upon all who call upon him. For, ‘every one who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.’" Romans 10:9-13

    "And it shall come to pass that all who call upon the name of the LORD shall be delivered; for in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the LORD has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the LORD calls." Joel 2:32

     

    My response:

    Few points to mention:

    1-  Notice how Sam Shamoun's English translation is all twisted.  The word "Lord" is mixed and scrambled between Jesus and his Creator, GOD Almighty, the ULTIMATE LORD!  The trinitarian liars invented these cheap tricks to decieve the ordinary and simple-minded readers, who follow blindly and don't bother to reason, to prove the polytheist trinity pagan lie.  Here is what Allah Almighty Said about them in the Noble Quran:

    "Know they not Allah Knoweth what they conceal and what they reveal? And there are among them illiterates, who know not the Book (i.e., the Bible), but (see therein their own) desires, and they do nothing but conjecture.  Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: 'This is from Allah,' To traffic with it for a miserable price! Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.   (The Noble Quran, 2:77-79)"


    2-  Here are the Romans 10:9-13 and Joel 2:32 verses that Sam Shamoun gave from the King James Version Bible:

    Romans 10
    9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
    12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
    13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    Joel 2
    32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.


    To the Reader:  Where in these verses do you see Jesus being called GOD Almighty or Yahweh?!


    3-  Paul, who wrote the book of Romans, never even met Jesus in person, nor was he ever from among Jesus' 12 disciples.  Paul claimed that Jesus came to him while he was on his way to Damascus and annointed him to be an apostle.   However, many, even Christian theologians, reject Paul and his false books.


    He wrote:

    Third example:

    "And Jesus entered the temple of God and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons. He said to them, ‘It is written, "My house shall be called a house of prayer"; but you make it a den of robbers.’ And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple, and he healed them. But when the chief priests and the scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying out in the temple, ‘Hosanna to the Son of David!’ they were indignant; and they said to him, ‘Do you hear what these are saying?’ And Jesus said to them, ‘Yes; have you never read, "Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings thou hast brought perfect praise"?’ And leaving them, he went out of the city to Bethany and lodged there." Matthew 21:12-17

    "O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is thy name in all the earth! Thou whose glory above the heavens is chanted by the mouth of babes and infants, thou hast founded a bulwark because of thy foes, to still the enemy and the avenger." Psalm 8:1-2

     

    My response:

    Jesus in Matthew 21:12-17 was only quoting the Old Testament when he said "‘It is written, "My house shall be called a house of prayer"; but you make it a den of robbers.’"  He wasn't saying that it was his house, or he is GOD Almighty Himself.

    Also, Psalm 8:1-2 is not a directly connected to the praise that Jesus received in the temple, because:

    1-  There were no infants or babes in there.

    2-  Jesus again ONLY QUOTED the Old Testament and Jesus was directing the praise to GOD Almighty.

    3-  No one in that incident called Jesus GOD Almighty.  This is only in the twisted mind of the polytheist trinitarian pagans.

     

    He wrote:

    Fourth Example:

    "for you have tasted the kindness of the Lord. Come to him, to that living stone, rejected by men but in God's sight chosen and precious;" 1 Peter 2:3-4

    "O taste and see that the LORD is good! Happy is the man who takes refuge in him!" Psalm 34:8

    The preceding passages all apply OT citations regarding Yahweh to the Lord Jesus, affirming that as far as the NT authors are concerned the Lord Jesus was Yahweh God incarnate!

    For more examples like these please read the paper Jesus is Yahweh: Examining the NT Use of OT Passages to Demonstrate the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    In light of the foregoing, the readers will hopefully see that Osama hasn’t been able to refute our exegesis of Jeremiah 23:5-6. We feel that we have given sufficient data to show that Osama’s challenge has been met and answered. Jeremiah the prophet calls the coming Messianic King Yahweh God, the very divine One in whom we receive redemption and justification.

     

    My response:

    First of all, 1 Peter 2:3-4 above says ".....but in God's sight chosen and precious;".  This verse is clearly separating Jesus from his Creator, GOD Almighty. 

    Also, Psalm 34:8 above is praising those who seek refuge in GOD Almighty.   Interestingly, Muslims before the recitation of the Noble Quran are commanded to always seek refuge in GOD Almighty from satan.

    Thus far, the polytheist trinitarian pagan poor Sam Shamoun has proven absolutely nothing!!  On the contrary, he lied and twisted Hebrews 1:9 as clearly shown above to prove his pagan lie.

    I feel sorry for him and for the likes of him.  He constantly says "if LORD Jesus is willing".  He is guilty in profaning GOD Almighty's Holy Name and putting a creation's name above the LORD GOD Almighty.  Sam Shamoun and the likes of him from the polytheist pagans are guilty of blasphemy, and I pray that he and every pagan who reads this paper to repent and seek forgiveness from GOD Almighty and to embrace Islam, the only Truth today to Praise and Glorify GOD Almighty, because we associate no partners created from dust and wood with Him!

     

    He wrote:

    Acknowledgements

    We would like to thank Dr. Michael L. Brown’s helpful insights regarding theophoric names, names that contain elements of God’s names. We highly recommend his multi-volume work refuting Jewish ‘anti-missionary’ responses to the deity and Messiahship of the Lord Jesus:

    Answering Jewish Objections To Jesus

    Volume 1 - General and Historical Objections
    Volume 2 - Theological Objections
    Volume 3 - Messianic Prophecy Objections

    These books can be ordered from Dr. Brown’s website, www.icnministries.org.

     

    My response:

    Yeah thank him.  You'll both have plenty of time in Hell to spit on each others' faces from shame and agony.

     

    He wrote:

    APPENDIX A

    God’s Covenant name and Jerusalem

    Another passage often used by anti-Trinitarians to deny that Jeremiah is calling the Messiah Yahweh God actually comes from the very book of Jeremiah:

    "In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous Branch of David to spring forth; and He shall execute justice and righteousness on the earth. In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will dwell in safety; and this is {the name} by which SHE will be called: the LORD is our righteousness." Jeremiah 33:15-16 NASB

    The preceding citation specifically calls Jerusalem/Judah Yahweh Our Righteousness, the very same exact title given to the Messiah in 23:5-6. The anti-Trinitarians try to reason from this that Jeremiah 23:5-6 no more proves that the Messiah is actually Yahweh God then 33:15-16 proves that Jerusalem is Yahweh God also.

    In the first place, the reason why Jerusalem is called by the name of the Lord is precisely because God lives there:

    "Hark, the cry of the daughter of my people from the length and breadth of the land: ‘Is the LORD not in Zion? Is her King not in her? Why have they provoked me to anger with their graven images, and with their foreign idols?’" Jeremiah 8:19

    "Why shouldst thou be like a man confused, like a mighty man who cannot save? Yet thou, O LORD, art in the midst of us, and we are called by thy name; leave us not." Jeremiah 14:9

    "The circumference of the city shall be eighteen thousand cubits. And the name of the city henceforth shall be, The LORD is there." Ezekiel 48:35

    "But Judah shall be inhabited for ever, and Jerusalem to all generations. I will avenge their blood, and I will not clear the guilty, for the LORD dwells in Zion." Joel 3:20-21

    Jerusalem is named after its eternal King, being the place where Israel’s God chose to dwell, a not uncommon practice. For example, Jerusalem is also called "the City of David" since David made it the capital of his kingdom.

    Yet God didn’t just dwell in Zion spiritually, since God dwells in every place in Spirit seeing that he is an omnipresent Being:

    "Am I a God at hand, says the LORD, and not a God afar off? Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? says the LORD. Do I not fill heaven and earth? says the LORD." Jeremiah 23:23-24

    But rather Jerusalem became the place where God manifested his glory visibly for all to see:

    "And when the priests came out of the holy place, a cloud filled the house of the LORD, so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud; for the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD." 1 Kings 8:10-11

    In fact, the prophets envisioned a time when God would come and dwell with his people visibly:

    "A voice cries: ‘In the wilderness prepare the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Every valley shall be lifted up, and every mountain and hill be made low; the uneven ground shall become level, and the rough places a plain. And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together, for the mouth of the LORD has spoken.’" Isaiah 40:3-5

    "And behold, the angel who talked with me came forward, and another angel came forward to meet him, and said to him, ‘Run, say to that young man, "Jerusalem shall be inhabited as villages without walls, because of the multitude of men and cattle in it. For I will be to her a wall of fire round about, says the LORD, and I will be the glory within her." Ho! ho! Flee from the land of the north, says the LORD; for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heavens, says the LORD. Ho! Escape to Zion, you who dwell with the daughter of Babylon. For thus said the LORD of hosts, after his glory sent me to the nations who plundered you, for he who touches you touches the apple of his eye: Behold, I will shake my hand over them, and they shall become plunder for those who served them. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent me. Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion; for lo, I come AND I WILL DWELL IN THE MIDST OF YOU, says the LORD. And many nations shall join themselves to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people; AND I WILL DWELL IN THE MIDST OF YOU, and you shall know that the LORD of hosts has sent me to you. And the LORD will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land, and will again choose Jerusalem. Be silent, all flesh, before the LORD; for he has roused himself from his holy dwelling." Zechariah 2:3-13 [1]

    This is where the Messiah comes in. The Messiah is the incarnation of Yahweh God and his coming heralds the visible appearance of the God of Israel to the nations. For instance, the prophet Zechariah sees the God of Israel coming to fight against Israel’s enemies:

    "Behold, a day of the LORD is coming, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in the midst of you. For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then the LORD will go forth and fight against those nations as when he fights on a day of battle. On that day HIS FEET SHALL STAND ON THE MOUNT OF OLIVES which lies before Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives shall be split in two from east to west by a very wide valley; so that one half of the Mount shall withdraw northward, and the other half southward. And the valley of my mountains shall be stopped up, for the valley of the mountains shall touch the side of it; and you shall flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzzi'ah king of Judah. Then the LORD your God will come, and all the holy ones with him." Zechariah 14:1-5

    Zechariah sees Yahweh descending upon the Mount of Olives with his feet! The only way for Yahweh to have feet is if he is to appear in a visible form of some kind, presumably in a human form. And according to the NT, the One Zechariah saw descending on the Mount with all the holy ones is actually the Lord Jesus Christ in his return from heaven!

    "And when he had said this, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, and said, ‘Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.’ Then they returned to Jerusalem FROM THE MOUNT CALLED OLIVET, which is near Jerusalem, a sabbath day's journey away;" Acts 1:9-12

    Notice that the angels say that the Lord Jesus will return to the place from which he ascended, that place being the Mount of Olives!

    "May your hearts be made strong so that you will be holy and without fault before our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all his holy ones." 1 Thessalonians 3:13 NCV

    Thus, the NT shows that the feet that Zechariah saw in his vision were the very feet of the Lord Christ when he returns in glory. In other words, the Lord Jesus is none other than the human manifestation, the very incarnation, of Yahweh God Almighty!

    Zechariah also says that Yahweh will be King in all the earth:

    "And the LORD will become king over all the earth; on that day the LORD will be one and his name one."

    What makes this rather astonishing is that earlier Zechariah refers to the Messiah as the King who comes to save:

    "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout aloud, O daughter of Jerusalem! Lo, your king comes to you; triumphant and victorious is he, humble and riding on an ass, on a colt the foal of an ass. I will cut off the chariot from E'phraim and the war horse from Jerusalem; and the battle bow shall be cut off, and he shall command peace to the nations; his dominion shall be from sea to sea, and from the River to the ends of the earth." Zechariah 9:9-10

    The NT records that the Lord Jesus entered Jerusalem riding on a coal in fulfillment of Zechariah:

    "So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying, ‘Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!’ And Jesus found a young ass and sat upon it; as it is written, ‘Fear not, daughter of Zion; behold, your king is coming, sitting on an ass's colt!’" John 12:13-15

    Note the connection between Yahweh and the Messianic king. According to Zechariah it is Yahweh who will rule over all the earth as king, while at the same time the Messiah will reign as King over all the nations. When these two facts are put together then the obvious conclusion is that the Messiah is in fact Yahweh God coming to rule over all creation. The Messiah is the manifestation, an extension, of Yahweh’s own personal presence amongst the people. Thus, this is another time where an inspired prophet equates the Messianic King with Yahweh God!

    Now, in the light of the foregoing data we can conclude that the reason why Jerusalem is called Yahweh our Righteousness is because it will be the very place where Yahweh God manifests himself visibly for all its inhabitants to see, displaying his perfect righteousness. And since the Messiah is Yahweh Our Righteousness who comes to rule righteously in Jerusalem, he is that very visible manifestation of Yahweh God that all the peoples will look upon!


    Notes

    [1] Interestingly, this passage from Zechariah 2 demonstrates that Yahweh God is a multi-personal Being. Here, again, is the passage, this time from the NASB translation:

    "For thus says the LORD of hosts, ‘After glory HE has sent ME against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches you, touches the apple of HIS eye. For behold, I will wave MY HAND over them so that they will be plunder for their slaves. Then you will know that the LORD of hosts HAS SENT ME. Sing for joy and be glad, O daughter of Zion; for behold I AM COMING AND I WILL DWELL IN YOUR MIDST, declares the LORD. Many nations will join themselves to the LORD in that day and will become MY PEOPLE. Then I will dwell in your midst, and you will know that the LORD of hosts HAS SENT ME TO YOU.’" 2:8-11

    Yahweh says that he is coming to dwell in the midst of his people and that they will know that Yahweh has sent him! So here we have Yahweh sending Yahweh!

     

     

    My response:

    Again, it is both ridiculous and sad that you fail to see the metaphoric speech in all of the verses above, especially after Jerusalem was called "Yahweh is Righteousness" in Jeremiah 33:15-16!  As I showed above, the Messiah or Branch was also said to have the spirit of fearing GOD Almighty in him, and he will delight in the fear of the LORD:

    1.  A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
    2.  The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of
    counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD
    (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
    3.  and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or
    decide by what he hears with his ears;

    (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 11:1-3)

    Also, please visit:  The Spirit of GOD Almighty came upon others before and after Jesus in the Bible.

    If Jesus is truly GOD Almighty, then how can the spirit of fearing GOD Almighty be put in him?  What is the Wisdom from GOD Almighty to put the spirit of fearing Himself inside Himself?


    How can GOD Almighty have any type of "fear" in Him??!!


    (a)  Elijah.  This name is short for EliJehovah or "Eli Yahweh".  Eli means my GOD, and Yahweh is the name and title of GOD Almighty in the Bible.  Does "Eli Yahweh" or Elijah mean that the person is Jehovah Himself?

    (b)  Gedaliah means "Jehovah is Great".  Again, Gedaliah is short for "Gedal Yahweh".  Is the person who was called "Jehovah is Great" GOD Almighty Himself?  We'll let Sam Shamoun answer this for us.

    The "Yahweh" in many Hebrew names is shortened because it apparently makes the name much easier to pronounce since it is used often.  It is very similar to our shortened names today such as:

    1-  Michael shortened for Mike.
    2-  Samuel shortened for Sam.

    For more examples and proofs, please visit: The "God" title in the Bible was given to others in the OT and NT.   Answering Isaiah 9:6.  The "El" (God) title that was given to Jesus in the Old Testament, and the "HOTHEOS" (God) title in the New Testament, were given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  The only UNIQUE title that exists in the Bible is "Yahweh", which means "The Eternal".

     

     

    He wrote:

    APPENDIX B

    The Identity of the Davidic Branch in Rabbinic Judaism

    We conclude with a sampling of quotations from some of the official rabbinic Jewish sources regarding the identity of the Branch. We do this to show that Christians are not the only ones to view these OT passages Messianicly, genuine prophecies of the Messiah, but that certain Jews also saw them in the same way. This will undermine any accusation that the NT authors, and Christians in general, read into the OT a Messianic understanding not intended by the authors of those books.

    All the quotations are taken from William Webster's masterful work, Behold Your King: Prophetic Proofs That Jesus Is the Messiah, Christian Resources, June 2003. We are specifically quoting from Appendix C: The Messianic Prophecies of the Old Testament from the Authoritative Jewish Writings, pp. 151-312.

    Webster’s book can be purchased here. All bold, underlined and capital emphasis ours.

    Targum Jonathan

    ... Behold the days are coming,’ says the Lord, ‘when I will raise up for David a righteous Messiah, and he shall reign as king, and prosper, and shall enact a righteous and Meritorious law in the land. In his days they of the house of Judah shall be delivered, and Israel shall live in security. And this is the name which they call him: "May vindication be accomplished for us by the Lord in his day."’ (The Messiah: An Aramaic Interpretation, Samson H. Levy (New York: Hebrew Union College, 1974), pp. 68-69)

    Targum Jonathan

    Say unto him: Thus says the Lord of Hosts saying: ‘Be hold the man whose name is "The Messiah." He is destined to be revealed and to be anointed, and he shall build the Temple of the Lord. He shall build the Temple of the Lord, and he will bear the radiance, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and there shall be a high priest on his throne, and there be a counsel of peace between the two of them.’ (Ibid., p. 99)

    The Babylonian Talmud, Baba Bathra 75b

    R. Samuel b. Nahmani said in the name of R. Johanan: Three WERE CALLED BY THE NAME OF THE holy One, blessed be He, and they are the following: The righteous, the Messiah and Jerusalem. [This may be inferred as regards] the righteous [from] what ha just been said. [As regards] the Messiah - it is written: And this is the name whereby he shall be called, The Lord is our righteousness (Jer. XXIII, 6) (The Babylonian Talmud, Rabbi Dr. I. Epstein, Editor (London: Soncino Press), Seder Nezekin, Vol. II, Baba Bathra 75b, p. 303)

    The Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 98a

    R. Alexandri said: R. Joshua b. Levi pointed out a contradiction. It is, in its time [the Messiah], whilst it is also written I [the Lord] will hasten it!–If they are worthy, I will hasten it: if not, [he will come] at due time. R. Alexandri said: R. Joshua opposed two verses: it is written, And behold, one like the son of man came with the clouds of heaven (Dan. VII, 13); whilst [elsewhere] it is written, [behold thy king cometh…] lowly, and riding upon an ass!’ (Zech. IX, 7) - If they are meritorious, [he will come] with the clouds of heaven (Dan. VII, 13); if not, lowly and riding upon an ass (Zech. IX, 9). King Shapur said to Samuel, ‘Ye maintain that the Messiah will come upon an ass: I will rather send him a white horse of mine.’ He replied, ‘Have you a hundred-hued steed?’ (Ibid., Seder Nezekin, Vol. III, Sanhedrin 98a, pp. 663-664)

    R. Hillel said: There shall be no Messiah for Israel, because they have already enjoyed him in the days of Hezekiah. R. Joseph said: May God forgive him [for saying so]. Now, when did Hezekiah flourish? During the first Temple. Yet Zechariah, prophesying in the days of the second, proclaimed, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem; behold, thy king cometh unto thee! He is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass (Zech. IX, 9) (Ibid., p. 669)

    Midrash Rabbah, Lamentations

    BECAUSE THE COMFORTER IS FAR FROM ME, EVEN HE THAT SHOULD REFRESH MY SOUL. What is the name of King Messiah? R. Abba b. Kahana said: His name is ‘the Lord’; as it is stated, And this is the name whereby he shall be called, The Lord is our righteousness (Jer. XXIII, 6). For R. Levi said: It is good for a province when its name is identical with that of its king, and the name of its king identical with that of its God. ‘It is good for a province when its name is identical with that of its king,’ as it is written, And the name of the city from that day shall be the Lord is there (Ezek. XLVIII, 35). ‘And the name of its king is identical with that of its God’ as it is stated, And this is the name whereby he shall be called, The Lord is our righteousness: R. Joshua b. Levi said: His name is ‘Shoot’, as it is stated, Behold, a man whose name is Shoot, and who shall shoot up out of his place, and build the temple of the Lord (Zech. VI, 12). R. Judan said in the name of R. Aibu: His name is ‘Comforter’, as it is said, THE COMFORTER IS FAR FROM ME. R. Hanina said: They do not really differ, because the numerical value of the names is the same, so that ‘Comforter’ is identical with ‘Shoot’ (Midrash Rabbah, Lamentations (London: Soncino Press), I.16, 51, pp. 135-136)

    Midrash on Psalms, Psalm 2:2

    God will call the king Messiah after His own name, for it is said of the king Messiah This is his name whereby he shall be called: The Lord our righteousness (Jer. 23:6). (The Midrash on Psalms, William G. Braude, Translator (New Haven: Yale, 959), Yale Judaica Series, Volume XIII, Leon Nemoy, Editor, Book One, Psalm 2.2)

     

    My response:

    Again, it is both ridiculous and sad that you fail to see the metaphoric speech in all of the verses above, especially after Jerusalem was called "Yahweh is Righteousness" in Jeremiah 33:15-16!  As I showed above, the Messiah or Branch was also said to have the spirit of fearing GOD Almighty in him, and he will delight in the fear of the LORD:

    1.  A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
    2.  The Spirit of the LORD will rest on him (Jesus)-- the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding, the Spirit of
    counsel and of power, the Spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD
    (Jesus fearing his GOD)--
    3.  and he will delight in the fear of the LORD. He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or
    decide by what he hears with his ears;

    (From the NIV Bible, Isaiah 11:1-3)

    Also, please visit:  The Spirit of GOD Almighty came upon others before and after Jesus in the Bible.

    If Jesus is truly GOD Almighty, then how can the spirit of fearing GOD Almighty be put in him?  What is the Wisdom from GOD Almighty to put the spirit of fearing Himself inside Himself?


    How can GOD Almighty have any type of "fear" in Him??!!


    Also, as to his name being called "Jehovah our Righteousness", again, the Bible and the Jews' traditions and names are filled with GODLY names that were given to people.  Let's look at the following few names:

    (a)  Elijah.  This name is short for EliJehovah or "Eli Yahweh".  Eli means my GOD, and Yahweh is the name and title of GOD Almighty in the Bible.  Does "Eli Yahweh" or Elijah mean that the person is Jehovah Himself?

    (b)  Gedaliah means "Jehovah is Great".  Again, Gedaliah is short for "Gedal Yahweh".  Is the person who was called "Jehovah is Great" GOD Almighty Himself?  We'll let Sam Shamoun answer this for us.

    The "Yahweh" in many Hebrew names is shortened because it apparently makes the name much easier to pronounce since it is used often.  It is very similar to our shortened names today such as:

    1-  Michael shortened for Mike.
    2-  Samuel shortened for Sam.

    For more examples and proofs, please visit: The "God" title in the Bible was given to others in the OT and NT.   Answering Isaiah 9:6.  The "El" (God) title that was given to Jesus in the Old Testament, and the "HOTHEOS" (God) title in the New Testament, were given to others before and after Jesus in the Bible.  The only UNIQUE title that exists in the Bible is "Yahweh", which means "The Eternal".

     

    My Conclusion:

    Sam Shamoun had miserably failed again to prove the polytheist trinity pagan lie.   He not only twisted the metaphoric meaning of some verses which had been proven without doubt (as shown above) that they are metaphoric since people and even cities in the Bible were called these names and titles, but he also LIED as I proved above in Hebrews 1:9, and deliberately twisted the verses he quoted to fool his reader.

    Sam Shamoun and the likes of him from the polytheist pagans are guilty of blasphemy, because they had profaned GOD Almighty's Holy Name and raised Jesus' name (a creation of GOD Almighty) above the Almighty's Holy Name.

    I pray that Sam Shamoun repents and come back to his senses before it is too late for him.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Back to My Rebuttals, and exposing the lies of the Answering Islam team section.

    Rebuttals to Sam Shamoun's Articles section.

    Answering Trinity.

    Answering Jeremiah 23:5-6:   A big blow to Sam Shamoun's trinity nonsense existing in the Old Testament.

    Contradictions and History of Corruption in the Bible.

    Questions about Jesus that trinitarian Christians don't have logical answers for.

    What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth? and Why?

    "Allah" was GOD Almighty's original Name in the Bible according to the Hebrew and Aramaic sources.

    Scientific Miracles in Islam and the Noble Quran.

    Most of the Bible's books and gospels were written by mysterious people!

    Jesus mentioned Muhammad by the name in the Bible.

    Did Isaiah 53 really prophesies about the crucifixion of Jesus? It supports Islam's claims about Jesus peace be upon him never died on the cross.  I also addressed John 19:36-37 from the Bible and proved that Jesus never got crucified, since GOD Almighty promised that he will protect Jesus' body and not let even a single bone be broken.  My question to all Christians is: How in the world is it possible for the feet to get nailed on the cross without any penetration to the bones by the nails, hence breaking part of the feet's bones?! I also added refutations to Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12, Zechariah 12:10 and Psalm 34:20, which supposedly prove the Christians' belief about Jesus crucifixion.  I proved that this dogma has no truth what so ever and exposed the wrong Trinitarian English translation of Zechariah 12:10.

      

    See Also:

    The "Son of God" Title in the 1 John 2:22

    Jesus is Yahweh the Son?  See how Christians got this very wrong in the NT, using Jesus' words himself!
    Also, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1 John 2:22?

    Anti-Christ | 1john 2:22-23 | 911 was 100% an Israeli Lie | Boston | 666| Dividing Israel

    Note:  The (*) links below are html backups of the website's blog topic threads, in case the blog and its database are down.

    From: www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm:

      

    1 John 2:22-23 are discussed further down in details in this table.

  • God in the OT addresses people as "my son" and describes them as his begotten son.  Why does God use these terms with others in the time of Moses and Jesus and Abraham and other prophets, and now condemns these tittles in the Quran?  Why would God give room to misuse these terms like the Greek and Romans did?

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    The Doubting Thomas:
      
    Doubting Thomas said
    "My Lord and my God" to Jesus.  Yet, all believers were called "God", and Moses was the "God" of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh:

  • Moses was called "The God" (Exodus 7:1) of the Believers, Aaron and Pharaoh.  Jesus said he was greater than Moses.  Thomas, the Disciple, called Jesus "My Lord and my God" (John 20:28).  Jesus denied to be GOD Almighty.  All Believers were called "GODS and Sons of GOD" (Psalm 82:6) in the Bible.  "GOD" in the Bible also means master, leader, priest.  Therefore, the doubting Thomas' statement didn't suggest that Jesus was his Creator.  And Jesus being a "God" doesn't mean that he is GOD Almighty.  He is just another mere "God" like the rest of the believing creations and nothing more.
      

  • The Bible also says that Jesus had to be "in according to Melchizedek".  And who is Melchizedek?  According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20).  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.
      
  • The Bible called Jesus a slave (abd) of GOD throughout the Old Testament!
      
  • Jesus denied knowing when Judgment Day will come, and said I DON'T KNOW, ONLY GOD ALONE KNOWS!
  • For ample more details, visit:

    www.answering-christianity.com/godtitle.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm

  • Also, the Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam, and the Majestic "We" [1] [2] [3]
  • www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1904.msg7673#msg7673
    www.answering-christianity.com/john20_28.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_had_no_will.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_miracles.htm (non of Jesus' Miracles were unique)
    www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links
    www.answering-christianity.com/jesus_called_slave_in_bible.htm

      

    Father and Son Definitions:

    Definition of Key Terms (*) (a discussion between me and a Christian):

    1-  What does "The Father" really mean in the Bible?  How is it defined in Islam? (see point #5 below)  How does the Bible really define it?

    2-  What does "Son of GOD" really mean in the Bible? 

    3-  Jesus had to match Melchizedek in Miracles and Power, according to the New Testament.  See this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.  Jesus' Miracles and Miraculous Birth and Nature were given to him because he needed to be in according to Melchizedek.  He had to be “in according to Melchizedek” as the Bible specifically says.  See Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20 [2].

      

    Who is Melchizedek?

    According to the Bible, he was the Jews' highest priest who had "no father and no mother", and "no beginning and no end" (Genesis 14:18, Psalm 110:4, Hebrews 5:6-10, Hebrews 7:1-20) [2].  The Bible literally says that.  Jesus had to be similar and inline with him; another proof that Jesus being "God" doesn't mean he is the Creator of the Universe.

  • Is Jesus Allah Almighty for creating things in the Noble Quran?  And is he better than Prophet Muhammad for being a creator?  And is there a contradiction in the Noble Quran regarding idol gods not being able to create and Jesus Christ?  See the Books that Allah Almighty gave to certain powerful Beings to enable them to possess certain Powers and to do certain Miracles, including limited Creations.
      

  • Also again, see this text-debate (*) between me and a Christian.
      

  • 4-  Does the Bible say that Yahweh created Jesus Yes it does (*)

  • John 1:1
    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God was with authority
    (same Greek word for satan's rule (*) [2] [3])."
      

  • Detailed discussion about Jesus' Will (*) with ample verses.
      

  • In Islam, there are three "Worlds" or Realms:

  • (a)-  GOD Almighty, who is not seen by anyone or anything, nor is like unto anyone or anything.

    (b)-  The World of Command, which is the invisible world of the Beings that were made by the Word and the Spirit.

    (c)-  The World of Creation, the flush and blood, dust and water physical world and Universes (plural).

    Also visit: Is the Noble Quran a Creator or Creation?

      
      
    "Father" and "Son" in Islam and the Bible:

    Christians often quote the following verses to prove that Islam is the Anti-Christ:

    1 John 2
    22  Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
    23  No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

      

    5-  What does the Glorious Quran say about the “Father” and “Son” titles:

  • The Quran is against the exaggerated and inflated meanings of the words, which ultimately the polytheistic religion of trinity was born out of.
      

  • Allah Almighty Said: "And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour(The Noble Quran, 21:26)"
      

    From http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=2141.msg9505#msg9505:

      

    The Family of Allah أهل الله in Islam, and the Majestic "We":
      

    .......

    In regards to your question, there are two legitimate answers for it:
      
    1-  GOD Almighty can and does refer to Himself as WE and I.  So the plural We can and does refer to Allah Almighty Alone.
      
    2-  In Allah Almighty's Realm, there are the People of Allah.  Even our Hadiths call them AHLU ALLAH أهل الله (Family of Allah).

  • Go to www.google.com, and search for إن لله - تعالى - أهلين من الناس، قالوا: يا رسول الله من هم؟ قال: هم أهل القران، أهل الله وخاصته
      
  • The Hadith in Arabic translates as:
      
    "Allah Almighty has AHLEEN (families) أهلين from mankind.  They asked: "O Messenger of Allah, who are they?"  He said: They are the People of the Quran; the Family/People of GOD أهل الله , and they are His Special Ones خاصته."
      
    Note: Every Spoken Word from GOD Almighty is Quran, even before Islam.
      
  • This is what we will be called in Heaven, and Allah Almighty also does recognize "Son of GOD" title in the Glorious Quran, but Says that they are no more than pious "....servants raised to honour.  (The Noble Quran, 21:26)".  Nothing Divine about them except that they exist with Allah Almighty Eternally in Heaven.  But as far as Divine Authority and Power, all Divine Authority and Power belong to Allah Almighty Alone and none else.  You can visit:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/definition_son_of_god.htm (The definition of "Son of God" in Islam)
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god_in_bible_and_quran_debate.ppt
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_of_god.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/son_translation.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/debate_templates.htm
    www.answering-christianity.com/convert_christians.htm
      
      
    Iblis, who later became satan, used to be from AHLU ALLAH
    أهل الله (Family of Allah) when he was a pious Servant.  But because he and his followers disobeyed GOD Almighty, they were cursed and kicked out of the COMMUNITY OF GOD Almighty:
      
    www.answering-christianity.com/adam.htm
      
    So it is quite possible that Allah Almighty uses the WE to refer to Him and His Servants that HE spoke with directly and Commanded directly.  But even in that case, the WE still also means Allah Almighty Alone (the Majestic We), because Allah Almighty is the
     One and Only Decision Maker, and there is none other besides Him.
      
    I hope this helps, insha'Allah.
      
    Take care,
    Osama Abdallah

      
      

  • So people did call each others “Son” and “Daughter” of “GOD”. But in all reality, they are no more than Servants of GOD raised to honor.
      

  • Here are some Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON": 

  • Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى): See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.
      
  • In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty.
      
  • FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا).  We further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8 "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7 Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.
      
  • So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:
      
    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.
      
    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!
      
    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).
      
  • So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:
    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.
      
  • Also, BEGET = CHOSE.
      
  • King James Bible Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
      
  • Allah Almighty used اصطفاك اصطفيتك يصطفي اصطفى اصطفينا to mean to Choose a Servant in Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 in the Glorious Quran.
      
  • So clearly Islam is in harmony with GOD Almighty being our:

    -  Guardian
    -  Friend
    -  Protector
    -  And the One who Chose us.
      
  • And we definitely believe that Jesus is the Messiah.
      
  • One last important point:  Nowhere in the Bible is Jesus ever called "from the Seed of GOD" or "the Seed of GOD".  We do have "Jesus is from the seed of David" (Psalm 132:10-11, Romans 1:3)But never from GOD!
      
  • GOD has no seed according to both the Bible and the Quran.
      
  • Therefore, the claim that Islam is the Anti-Christ is false.
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    So, is Islam the anti-Christ system according to 1john 2:22 No it isn't.  Here are some Quran and Bible facts regarding "FATHER" and "SON" in more details:

    (a)-  Allah Almighty is the Believers' only Guardian (المولى):

  • See Noble Verses 8:40, 22:13, 22:78.  In Arabic we say ولي الأمر , which means "The Legal Guardian".  المولى is derived from the root word ولي  .ولي also means a chosen friend to Allah Almighty, as in the following point.   

  • (b)-  FRIENDS = SONS in the Bible and Quran (ولي , وليهما and خليلا):

    We further read the following in the Bible:

    Isaiah 41:8
    "But you, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, you descendants of Abraham my friend,

    Chronicles 20:7
    Our God, did you not drive out the inhabitants of this land before your people Israel and give it forever to the descendants of Abraham your friend?

    James 2:23
    And the scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness," and he was called God's friend.

    So being GOD Almighty's "SON" in the Bible is equal to being GOD Almighty's "FRIEND".  Now compare this to the following from the Holy Quran:

    [002:257] Allah is the friend (ولي) and patron of those who believe. He brings them out of the depths of darkness into light. While those who do not believe, have the forces of evil as their friends; they lead them out of light, into the very depths of darkness. Such ones shall be the inmates of the fire. They will stay there forever.

    [003:122] (And remember) when the two groups among you lost heart (and almost fell out), even though Allah was their Friend and Protector (وليهما)? In Allah (alone), should the believers place their trust!

    [004:125] Who can be better in religion than one who submits his whole self to God, does good, and follows the way of Abraham the true in Faith? For God did take Abraham for a friend (خليلا).

    So the Bible's "FATHER" & "SON" for GOD Almighty and the Believers is clearly metaphoric, and it only means that GOD Almighty:

    1-  Is the Protector.
    2-  Is the Friend.
    3-  Is the Guardian.

    Please visit the following link to further see what Words the Glorious Quran uses for these words and definitions:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203     (backup)

      
    (c)-  BEGET = CHOSE:

    Regarding the following verse, and many others like it:

    King James Bible Psalm 2:7
    I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

    Let us look at Noble Verses 27:59, 3:33, 3:42, 7:144, 22:75, 35:32, 38:47, 39:4 from the Glorious Quran:

    [027:059] Say: Praise be to God, and Peace on his servants whom He has chosen اصطفى (for his Message). (Who) is better?- God or the false gods they associate (with Him)?

    ‏27:59 قل الحمد لله وسلام على عباده الذين اصطفى ءالله خير اما يشركون

    [003:033] God did choose اصطفى Adam and Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of 'Imran above all people,-

    ‏3:33 ان الله اصطفى ادم ونوحا وال ابراهيم وال عمران على العالمين

    [003:042] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! God hath chosen thee اصطفاك and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.

    ‏3:42 واذ قالت الملائكة يامريم ان الله اصطفاك وطهرك واصطفاك على نساء العالمين

    [007:144] (God) said: "O Moses! I have chosen thee اصطفيتك above (other) men, by the mission I (have given thee) and the words I (have spoken to thee): take then the (revelation) which I give thee, and be of those who give thanks."

    ‏7:144 قال ياموسى اني اصطفيتك على الناس برسالاتي وبكلامي فخذ ما اتيتك وكن من الشاكرين

    [022:075] God chooses يصطفي messengers from angels and from men for God is He Who hears and sees (all things).

    ‏22:75 الله يصطفي من الملائكة رسلا ومن الناس ان الله سميع بصير

    [035:032] Then We have given the Book for inheritance to such of Our Servants as We have chosen اصطفينا: but there are among them some who wrong their own souls; some who follow a middle course; and some who are, by God's leave, foremost in good deeds; that is the highest Grace.

    ‏35:32 ثم اورثنا الكتاب الذين اصطفينا من عبادنا فمنهم ظالم لنفسه ومنهم مقتصد ومنهم سابق بالخيرات باذن الله ذلك هو الفضل الكبير

    [038:047] They were, in Our sight, truly, of the company of the Elect المصطفين and the Good.

    ‏38:47 وانهم عندنا لمن المصطفين الاخيار

    [039:004] Had God wished to take to Himself an (actual) son, He could have chosen لاصطفى whom He pleased out of those whom He doth create: but Glory be to Him! (He is above such things.) He is God, the One, the Irresistible.

    ‏39:4 لو اراد الله ان يتخذ ولدا لاصطفى مما يخلق مايشاء سبحانه هو الله الواحد القهار

    Furthermore, when Jesus was asked about when the Hour will come, he replied by saying that only GOD Almighty Knows, and that no one knows, and that Jesus himself also didn't know.  Please visit:

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/questions.htm
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac7.htm#links

    Jesus spelled it out clearly that he knew NOT.  And as to calling GOD Almighty "Father", and that Islam denies that GOD Almighty is an ACTUAL FATHER to anyone, in Islam GOD Almighty is called:

    1-  Rab - Lord, Father (you are the Rab of your home for being the husband and the father).

    2-  Wali - Guardian.

    In the old Aramaic and Hebrew, GOD Almighty was called what-is-equivalent-to-Islam our Rab and Wali.  But that doesn't make GOD Almighty our actual Father.  This is exactly as Judaism metaphors such as idolatry is equivalent to spiritual adultery.  No Jew is actually married to GOD Almighty to actually commit a personal marriage-adultery against GOD Almighty!  Yet, the Jews use metaphors like these.  Islam came to straighten all of this out and to set the record straight that GOD Almighty has no son and no daughter.  Otherwise, why would GOD Almighty torture us to Hell if we were His perfect sons and daughters??  No imperfect being could be an actual son of GOD Almighty (and no being is the son or daughter of GOD Almighty, period!):

    [005:018] (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of God, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"

    Again, please visit: http://www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php/topic,1368.msg5203.html#msg5203     (backup).

      

    The Logical Fallacy and Corruption of 1 John 2:22:

    (d)-  Let's thoroughly look at the logical fallacy of this verse and its corruption:

    1-  " Who is the liar"??  Or should the text say who is the one who disbelieves?

  • The text clearly suggests that the book was written by a mere individual, whose emotions caused him to make a logical fallacy in the text, hence he is not a genuine Messenger of GOD.
     

  • Furthermore, we don't see this statement anywhere else throughout the Bible!  For such a serious statement to be truly from GOD Almighty, we would expect it to at the very least exist in any or all of the four gospels.  But it exists in none, and not even in Paul's writings either.  It only exists once in this late epistle.
     

  • Furthermore, the Bible’s commentary regarding 1 John book say:

    "1 John does not tell us who its author is.  The earliest identification of him comes from the church fathers..."  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1904)

    "The letter is difficult to date with precision...."  (From the NIV Bible Commentary, page 1905)

    For book bibliography, visit: www.answering-christianity.com/authors_gospels.htm

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    2-  Also keep in mind that the 1 John book contains forgeries.  For example:

  • 1 John 5:7  "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."  This verse was proven to be a forgery, and was removed from all of the modern Bible translations.

    Please visit: www.answering-christianity.com/1john5_7.htm

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    6-  Did you know that Elohim is Allah [1, *] [2] [3].  The "im" in Hebrew is a majestic plural for GOD Almighty.  The root Word is "Eloh".  And the more original Jews such as Yemenites and others say Alohim or Alah-im.  And when you yourself pronounce it, you do naturally pronounce it with a double "l": Allah.  Jews do call Him: Allah-im.  Aramaic-speaking people also call GOD Almighty Allah.  See the following videos for Biblical references and proofs.  Also, pre-Islamic Biblical archeological findings have GOD Almighty as "Allah".  So the Original Holy Name for GOD Almighty is not Eloh.  It is Allah!  Eloh is a Hebrew dialect, which not all Hebrew speakers use anyway.  Allah had always been the Original and Universal GOD Almighty even before birth of Judaism, and the existence Hebrew.  And Hebrew is a developed language from Phoenician.  See the following links:

               
           (Click to play videos)

           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenician_alphabet
           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hebrew

      


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